(August 28, 2024 at 6:10 pm)Sheldon Wrote:(August 23, 2024 at 12:33 pm)h311inac311 Wrote: A secondary source is still a source of information, and not all secondary sources are completely invalid.Straw man fallacy, I made no such claim. The gospel myths are anonymous hearsay, beyond that I made no assertion.
Quote:Just labeling everything that Papias, Iraeneus and Clement of Alexandria did as, "subjective speculation" doesn't make it so.Another straw man fallacy, care to quote me making that claim?
Quote:And when all of the secondary sources point in one direction,Argumentum ad populum fallacy.
Quote:and you cannot provide me with any evidence to the contrary, then you are free to draw whatever conclusions you want to draw from that.Argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, dear oh dear, were you planning to invoke every common logical fallacy there is?
Quote:Assuming that all Christians merely converted to, and fundamentally accepted; all Gospels as being written by whomever they were told wrote them, with no ounce of critical thought, does not make it so.Sigh, straw man fallacy, I made no such claim.
Quote:Some early Christians may have had this point of view, but Papias provably did not, and there were other early scholars which did not accept these writings "as is" without any amount of critical thought.Appeal to authority fallacy.
Quote:Do you guys really believe that skepticism is a recent invention?
No, do you believe scepticism of unevidenced supernatural magic, increases with objective knowledge of the natural world? careful now, a false equivalence fallacy seems to be the only fallacious card you haven't played here.
Though your arguments here are relentlessly irrational, you haven't linked my post or quoted one word for context, so it's hard to say how accurately or honestly you addressed it.
"Another straw man fallacy, care to quote me making that claim?" - Sheldon
"There were early church fathers, such as Papias, who would refuse to acknowledge a writing as scripture if an author could not be identified. He ended up identifying all 4 Gospel writers. We also have some fragmentary manuscripts which identify some of the Gospel authors such as P 66 and P 4. We also have other 2nd century sources such as Clement of Alexandria as well as Irenaeus who both were able to identify all 4 Gospel authors. And, for some reason, all of these sources point to the same 4 names being assigned to the same four Gospels, exactly as our modern Bibles attribute them." - You can feel free attributing this quote to me, my name is Christopher; nice to meet you.
Now, in response to my quotation listed above ^ did you not respond with this?
"The earliest copies are all unauthored, what you're talking about is subjective speculation." or do you want me to attribute this quote to someone else?