RE: The Historical Jesus
August 29, 2024 at 5:21 am
(This post was last modified: August 29, 2024 at 5:49 am by Sheldon.)
(August 28, 2024 at 7:30 pm)h311inac311 Wrote:(August 28, 2024 at 6:10 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Straw man fallacy, I made no such claim. The gospel myths are anonymous hearsay, beyond that I made no assertion.
Another straw man fallacy, care to quote me making that claim?
Argumentum ad populum fallacy.
Argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, dear oh dear, were you planning to invoke every common logical fallacy there is?
Sigh, straw man fallacy, I made no such claim.
Appeal to authority fallacy.
No, do you believe scepticism of unevidenced supernatural magic, increases with objective knowledge of the natural world? careful now, a false equivalence fallacy seems to be the only fallacious card you haven't played here.
Though your arguments here are relentlessly irrational, you haven't linked my post or quoted one word for context, so it's hard to say how accurately or honestly you addressed it.
"Another straw man fallacy, care to quote me making that claim?" - Sheldon
"There were early church fathers, such as Papias, who would refuse to acknowledge a writing as scripture if an author could not be identified. He ended up identifying all 4 Gospel writers. We also have some fragmentary manuscripts which identify some of the Gospel authors such as P 66 and P 4. We also have other 2nd century sources such as Clement of Alexandria as well as Irenaeus who both were able to identify all 4 Gospel authors. And, for some reason, all of these sources point to the same 4 names being assigned to the same four Gospels, exactly as our modern Bibles attribute them." - You can feel free attributing this quote to me, my name is Christopher; nice to meet you.
Now, in response to my quotation listed above ^ did you not respond with this?
"The earliest copies are all unauthored, what you're talking about is subjective speculation." or do you want me to attribute this quote to someone else?
Quote:Just labeling everything that Papias, Iraeneus and Clement of Alexandria did as, "subjective speculation" doesn't make it so.So we can see clearly that was not the totality of that particular claim you assigned to me, hence a straw man. Though the idea Iraeneus has objectively verified the authors of the four canonical gospels is dubious, since all the original texts were anonymous, subjective speculation seems a more apt description of such a claim coming from a bishop of the church in the second century.
As well as focusing on one aspect of your assertion, and not the totality of what you assigned to me, you also have failed to address the other claims you wrongly assigned to me of course, and again you didn't in your original response quote my post for context, as it was difficult to assess how accurately you were responding to what I had actually posted, and not straw men like the one above.
"The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66–70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85–90, and John AD 90–110. Despite the traditional ascriptions, most scholars hold that all four are anonymous and most scholars agree that none were written by eyewitnesses."
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