(September 3, 2024 at 9:51 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: Still my point of view is this. As I am reading (listening to) Deepak’s book on the life of the prophet, I cannot keep myself from seeing a man who was an exceptional being from the moment he was born.We clearly have different tastes in men.
Quote:Did you know that Arabs of the 6th century saw themselves as the descendent of the prophet Abraham? These believed in Allah a long time before the arrival of the prophet. The only problem was that the Kabbah (which also existed before the Prophet) was full of Idols. So Muhammad acted as a new Abraham who cleared the Kabbah of those idols.
Fiction..but then again, it's all fiction..so I suppose you can make it up any way you like.
Quote: Did you know for instance that people, his family and even himself took him for a mad man when he started to talk about an Angel appearing to him and making him recite the Koran?Maybe they were on to something...but you know what, you can't fault crazy. It's all the slaving and raping and killing that turns me off.
Quote: Other interesting point: Christians and Jews were the first to recognize him as a man of God. + Muhammad worked to ease the tensions between Arabs and Jews (who seeming had a considerable presence in the area around Makkah in that era).Trading on the reputation of christians and jews? Because you as a muslim and I as an atheist think they definitely get shit right....eh? Boy howdy, if they say god said something, or someone's a man of god, or..hell..someone's a god...you can definitely trust them.
Quote: So the Atheist approach is one possible approach (especially if you have limited time and resources). The other possibility is to study all of these spiritual teachings in a more detailed manner.I never know what you mean when you say things like this. I suspect it's because you don't really know what you mean either.
Quote: These guys (political İslamists / extremists etc.) are actually everything that the prophet tried to change in his lifetime. And people like me, we basically do not care about them. I try to understand that message that says so much about my true identity and the potential that is readily available for me (and everyone else).Nonsense. Insomuch as your great man tried to change people, it was to convert them into islamists themselves. That's how islam became a political force in the first place.
Quote:This said, I don’t even know if it is possible to help these people. My belief is that the Universe will rebalance itself at some point. Actually, That’s what the scriptures are saying too.If an islamist could let things be, then they wouldn't be islamists. Balance is for normalizers and apologists, like you. The only balance in the scales of an islamist cosmology has islam on one side and everything else on the other. Extremists have the courage of their convictions and are willing to put in the real work of making the world as they believe it ought to be. Big Mo and his warband were the first muslims, the first islamists, and the first islamic extremists. They were slavers, they were sex traffickers. They were murderers and thieves. Their new god cosigned all of this garbage..first to the great man, and then in a magic book.....because of course it did. There is an unbroken chain of specific and explicit violence and misery from them to our modern islamists.![]()
Trying to talk about islamism while talking around islam and is ludicrous. Mo is their role model, magic book affirms their lifestyle choices.
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