(November 20, 2024 at 9:20 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(November 20, 2024 at 8:47 pm)UTheWhiteMarten Wrote: The overwhelming majority of men who identify as transgendered women are men; hermaphroditism, ovotesticular disorder, hyperandrogenism and similar conditions are extremely rare medical conditions that, without proper diagnosis, cannot be recognized.
*All* bathrooms, at least in the West, are historically and within living lifetime designated by sex rather than gender - for a variety of logical reasons, such as the above mentioned risk of allowing men into women's bathrooms as well as "gender" being a modern construct.
What one identifies as does not change ones' sex, nor does mutilation of one's body.
Everything in that post is wrong. Everything. Very authoritatively stated, but wrong.
Boru
Such as?
Intersex - the category I listed above as "rare medical conditions" - are recognized by states like California and Australia as a separate condition from transgenderism, requiring additional legal protections transgendered individuals don't to insure that they are not discriminated against.
I'm assuming that a fair few transgender individuals are likewise intersex in one way or another, however nothing seems to indicate that anywhere close to the majority of transgender individuals would also fall under the intersex label. The fact that they are two distinct entities should provide another clue of this.
"Gender" as a medical/psychological definition did not exist before the early 1900s, coming into prominence with the works of Robert Stroller, John Money, Isaac Bently, and clinicians at institutions like the John Hopkins Hospital; it is simply a tautological fact that bathrooms before the adoptions of this concept would not be used in a manner according to this concept.
