(January 4, 2012 at 7:57 am)houseofcantor Wrote:(January 4, 2012 at 7:11 am)chipan Wrote:houseofcantor Wrote:Shroud of Turin? Unacceptable
why? quoting wikipedia is unacceptable?
houseofcantor Wrote:Historicity of the Christ? Unacceptable.
i keep asking why and no one gives me an answer. i put many sources and you reject all of them for no reason?
Sources? Josephus the Flavian was an obvious tool... I have some bias there. There rest of it; it's weak. What makes it strong is the force of your convictions; your moral certainty - you faith, yes?
Perfected in weakness by God's sufficient grace, Christian?
Have you Holy Spirit; do you know sola fides? What do you seek from this atheist who is with YHWH?
Trouble, huh? That's what yer looking for, trouble. Where two or more are gathered, there I am - Holy Spirit - between me and you. So no lying, no evil, no bullshit; yet I am morally certain Jesus never existed as an individual and that the Shroud of Turin is a fabrication.
These other cats - tigers, chew you up - with me, faith is yours, but religion sux.
most of what you said doesn't make any sense and you don't address everything i say. you don't care that most modern day historians believe Jesus existed, you have called one of my sources fake and the others weak even though the others were by good historians. if Jesus was made up then people would have spoken about it's historical accuricies at the time it was claimed.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem