(December 14, 2025 at 11:22 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: I’ve recently viewed this video on youtube (you tube is full of very informational videos on almost every subject if you know how to use it): https://youtu.be/6by9AhV_PGM?t=945
It’s about the Jewish population within the Ottoman Empire and under the Turkish Republic that started in 1923. It’s an interesting video because it shows how a nation that has been relatively good to its religious minorities finally ended up hurting those minorities when things started changing in the 19th century (with the rise of nationalism and importance given ethnic / religious identities after the renaissance and enlightenment era).
My simple conclusion is that wherever there is some ethnical / religious or cultural identity there has to be some sort of answer for the need of that population to be able to live and celebrate these identities. In other words, I think it’s not an unrealistic expectation by the Jews to be able to have their own nation state in which the political changes that occur while they are trying to live in somebody else’s country will not have a direct effect of them.
I’m thinking of the İstanbul Pogrom of 1955 for instance in which Greek / Armenian and Jewish minorities where attacked by some political-Islamist groups and the authorities were unable to respond and prevent these acts of violence in time.
Yet this said, I cannot simply ignore the right of Palestinians either. The problem is this: Every Nation-State in this world has its own limited and maximalist view of itself (The current conflict between Cambodia and Thailand is also based on that). Here is an example of maximalist Greek ambitions for instance:
If we let them, they want all Mediterranean islands + half of what is actual Turkey.
Everyone knows that we cannot go anywhere with geographical ambitions like that. So supporting the basic idea behind what we describe as Zionism should not be confused with the maximalist ambitions of right extremist Jews that are based on some interpretation of some religious texts. I don’t think that anyone can go anywhere with this type of approach to religion or politics.
That's not a solution. That's just a restatement of several aspects of the problem. A solution would be something like: elect someone willing to talk like this to both Bibi and whoever is in charge of Palestine at the moment.
Or, for that matter, travel back in time to when Theodor Herzl was still alive and show him scenes of what's going on in Gaza until he decides "fuck it. Maybe the best bet for the Jewish homeland is to just move to New York."
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