(January 6, 2012 at 3:43 pm)Perhaps Wrote: I see, so if it isn't too daring of me to make this leap - to identify something as existing, truly and concretely, what is required?
Only in my opinion for me to identify it as real, it has to be observed by myself or by a trustworthy source who conveys it to me. However, all that is real does not fall under my conscious observation nor does it require my observation to be real.
Quote:I would say conscious perception of said item (which we then fall into a difference in perception, but let's assume that our perception does not alter so greatly). From this is it possible to make the assertion that conscious perception of things existing presupposes consciousness from which conscious perception arises?
Of course. However, that is not the argument that acky is making. He is asserting that people must believe in consciousness if they "believe" in reality. It's really a bunch of silly hokum designed to make an endless argument.
Quote:Thus meaning that consciousness is real for the simple fact that it exists?
Yes, for the simple fact that it exists, not because someone believes it exists.
