RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 7, 2012 at 7:48 am
(This post was last modified: January 7, 2012 at 8:08 am by genkaus.)
(January 6, 2012 at 2:53 pm)amkerman Wrote: Here I'll set up the argument again and someone can try to knock it down, again.
Quite easy.
(January 6, 2012 at 2:53 pm)amkerman Wrote: All of reality is experienced through consciousness.
THEREFORE: If you believe in reality you must believe consciousness is real.
Fair enough.
(January 6, 2012 at 2:53 pm)amkerman Wrote: Things that are real must exist apart from our observation of or ideas about what they are.
THEREFORE: If consciousness is real it must exist apart from sciences observation of or ideas about it.
Incorrect. Our ideas and opinions exist. If you are looking for evidence of their physical existence, they exist as particular arrangement of neurons in the brain. These are not independent of consciousness, yet they are very much real.
(January 6, 2012 at 2:53 pm)amkerman Wrote: The only things science believes exists apart from it's observation or ideas about are universal constants.
THEREFORE: If consciousness is real science believes it is a universal constant.
First mistake.
Universal constants are conceptual values which we get while interpreting how reality works. They are very much based on observation.
Also, it is a mistake to think that you cannot observe consciousness or that you cannot have any ideas about it.
Since this step is incorrect, the rest of your argument falls apart automatically.
