(March 20, 2026 at 12:47 am)Paleophyte Wrote: I have no problem with morality based on reality. It's pretty obvious what happens if you have a society of rapey murder thieves. That's just an underlying reality and we can model it with some pretty simple math. We've got negative-sum games figured out. I just don't see the need to invoke 'moral truths' to explain these underlying physical principles. That smacks of mysticism that does nothing but obfuscate to me.
We might also say that it's pretty obvious what happens when you bring a semi-domesticated mammalian terrorist into your home and we don't need to invoke "cat truths" to explain that.
I don't see much mysticism in a broken face. I do see moral concern. I'm certainly aware that people with mystical values systems see the value of moral realism and, wishing to possess it for their mystical beliefs, and often their mystical beliefs exclusively, have done alot of harm to the label. If the best explanation for a things goodness or badness that a person can dream up is some ghost - they may use the label of moral realism - but they strongly disagree with the content of it - which, imo, is what matters.
-and matters specifically because it is accurate, as opposed to obfuscatory.
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