Assisted suicide?

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In most cases it won't be a choice you make alone, that's true - not only that, but we should encourage people who are suicidal (terminal or otherwise) to seek advice, councilling and not rush to any harsh decisions - that being said, it's a very different thing to say that 'we should encourage people to seek advice/discussion' and 'we're not going to allow people to make this choice'

For terminal patients, it certainly won't matter. They're already dead.
But I ask you, would you give this "choice" to your son, or anyone you hold near and dear to you?
Or would you stop them, and restrain them, and take them to a place where they'd be treated for his depression, for the sake of their own safety?
Most suicides are "rash decisions" as you call them, as I recall a friend of mine who had killed himself via taking pills, and his family was devastated.
Did this man seek out advice from any of his peers? If we would have known, we would have never left him alone, and certainly deny him his "right" to kill himself.

But according to this thought, how would you cope if you'd find your bed in his room with slashed wrists, or empty bottles of sleeping pills?
Would you respect his right to kill himself, or call 911?

What a fucking tyranny. People are only going to suffer longer before killing themselves in prison.

Also, what use is a man in prison for life to his wife and children? No more valuable than a dead man, but the downside is his family now know he's powerless to end his own life and will have to suffer for potentially decades for it.

I said posthumorously.

You've never been to a funeral for someone who killed themselves then? Trust me, it's much like any other funeral.

And even if it were the case that no persons who end their own life are remembered with 'good words', so what?

Oh, I've been to a funeral like that.
The funeral of my friend. I cursed him after I saw the state of his parents.
Do not get me wrong. I loved my friend. I knew him for some time, and I too, was shocked and devastated when I heard of his untimely death.
However, I was more sorry for his parents, than for him when I saw them. For him, the struggle was over. For his parents, it had just began.
If he died in a car accident, or due to some other means, who could blame him for it? Things happen to a man. But suicide is as you said, your own choice. That's why I blamed, and cursed him for what he had done to the people who loved him.

Actually, you achieved "not living". Yeah it's a harsh fate for the wife and kids, but that in and of it's self does not mean that you do not own your own life just because it disadvantages someone else.

Nobody here is going to argue that it isn't a tragedy for the family, but this should only give us more reason to attempt to persuade people to hold in for as long as they can bear.

You also have to remember that this isn't some casual decision for the people who want to die, in most cases life for them feels so unbearable that they aren't much use to anyone as is. A severely depressed person is very often unable to work and provide an income for their families.

I'm telling you, you cannot persuade a man who had just swallowed a handful of sleeping pills. When I saw my friend, he was like all so casual. We never saw anything suicidal about him. He certainly had problems of his own, things that he did not care to speak us about.

In most cases, you cannot stop a man from taking his own life. But in the cases you can, why would you? Just because you believe that he "owns his own life"? So much that he can throw it away so easily? No. I respect people's decisions, but I do not respect anyone's right to kill themselves, and I'd stop them in any way I could, if I could.
I'm sure you too, would do the same, but you do not want to admit it.
And you also said something like..."they aren't much use to anyone as is", meaning, that we should just allow them to kill themselves because they're useless. And true, a severely depressed person is generally not able to work, and provide for anything. However, such people should be helped, not left out to die.

What you've suggested so far is, that a man is not doing a great evil upon their loved ones when killing himself, simply because they are "depressed" and "useless"... These are the feelings that drive a man to commit suicide. But instead, you encourage people to actually commit suicide. I shake my head with disapproval.

Now you're making claims about rights but I haven't seen you produce one shred of value theory or moral philosophy to support this - You DO NOT get to decide what people's rights are simply because you fell strongly that they're doing something wrong, and you DO NOT get to decide that people loose their individual sovereignty simply because someone else's life is better because of their existence.

If you want to try and solve this problem the correct way you should give money to suicide support groups and education programs to attempt to persuade them to freely make other decisions because forcing people to make decisions that you want them to make is tyrannical and immoral.

Moral philosophy? Would you rather have some common sense?
The one thing that you people brag about in here?
I said it previously, you cannot stop most people who commit suicide(unless you are wary about their suicidal nature and somewhat look out for them, or send them to an institution where they are safe).

But would you rather let them take their own life and exercise their own so-called "rights" by leaving them? This is not what suicide support groups are about either. You think that these programs support people's choice to kill themselves? I call it choice, it certainly is an unwise choice.
Not a "right" by my book. I certainly do not approve of anyone who decides to end their lives without even thinking of the consequences. And yes, if that is tyrannical, a loving parent, friend, sibling or relative is definately the worst of tyrants.