(January 16, 2012 at 8:11 pm)whateverist Wrote: Seriously, I just noticed that you label yourself an agnostic deist. That makes you a pretty rare bird and interesting as hell. Frankly I don't know why all theists and deists don't likewise claim agnosticism. "Faith" could mean something if it didn't come dressed up as certainty. Why don't more of them admit as you do that they have no more proof than anyone else and nonetheless affirm their intuition/hunch/whatever that there is .. something more. No one could really argue with that so long as you didn't want to go messing with the curriculum in the public schools.
I've posted before on this forum that I have the mind of a skeptic and the heart of a believer (meaning an strongly instinctive conviction that I can't seem to shake and yet also can't rationally justify). Deism is the truce my mind has made with these instincts. Maybe I'm deluded. Maybe my instincts are on to something. It's all the same anyway as long as you acknowledge we live in a natural universe, whether or not there's any enigmatic mind behind its cause.
Lucent, a Christian apologist once asked what's the difference between his Christian beliefs and those of the deist. The difference is simple: it stops with me. I don't tell anyone what to think. I only try to be thought provoking. The universe is yours to make sense of as your mind sees fit.
It's not the belief in a god that is the problem for Islamo-Christianity. It's the belief in a Hell to "save" people from. So long as they really believe that Hell is a place where you really go if you haven't been "saved", there's no way this faith can co-exist peacefully with the rest of the world.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist