(January 17, 2012 at 7:04 pm)apophenia Wrote:
No offense, DP, but this is pretty weaksauce shit. Especially for you. All your disbelief of the miracle stories of the bible proves is that you don't believe the miracle stories of the bible. That's not exactly an "It's Miller time" moment.
No offense is ever taken from constructive criticism and I know not all my comments on religion are good ones. In this case, though, I have to say this may be a matter of taste. I say this because this is actually the thing that lept out at me the most when I read the Bible. It isn't just that I don't believe in miracles. It's the juxtaposition of the miracle-rich world of the Bible and the supernaturally tranquil universe we know.
I think, "What? Has Yahweh gotten sleepy or something? Why all the deafening fanfare back then and nothing but the sound of crickets today?"
Quote:Aside from that, and against my better judgement, I have to ask you about a theme you introduced but did not develop. You mentioned free will in relation to the miracle stories, presuming to allude to the contention that God's miracles are a fundamental violation of man's free will wherever they occur. Trending toward an incompatibilist position on free will myself, I have to ask what you are referring to as free will here, and in what way God's miracles are a violation of your conception of free will?
The reason Christians offer that Yahweh doesn't give a speech at the UN today or whatever (fill in your favorite miracle from the Bible here) is that doing so would "take away our free will to believe or not believe" (you'll have to ask them what exactly that means). Odd that Yahweh didn't have such concerns back then.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
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"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist