RE: Which political party do you support and why?
January 18, 2012 at 10:13 pm
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2012 at 10:48 pm by KichigaiNeko.)
Okay, admirable sentiments but let's THINK this through. Eh?
All anthropogenically generated...agreed. So right here we have as the MAIN source of "greenhouse-gas emissions" ...Humans and their activities.
So WHICH "green-house gases" are we looking to reduce?? Water vapour? CO2? Methane? Nitrosoxide?
http://www.eia.gov/oiaf/1605/ggccebro/chapter1.html
Many gases exhibit these “greenhouse” properties. Some of them occur in nature (water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide), while others are exclusively human-made (like gases used for aerosols).
I think you will find that this has already happened. A recent News article regarding the use of Navgas has declared that the volume of Navgas use has not increased but there are more flights in the air. Recently it was pointed out to me that the use of Diesel fuel has become so efficient that companies that jumped on-board with Natural Gas vehicles are abandoning this very wasteful, expensive and inefficient fuel source for better more efficient diesel motors.
How are you going to reduce methane?? I am not up on the latest agricultural practices (used here in Australia) but much has been done over the last 20-30 years to improve the productivity and viability of our farms. The "Green-Movement" advocated the use of plantation trees...great idea so many farms set aside areas for such and have to wait 20 years for the end product. Pine is the worst as I have been told that you can only get two crops out of the soil before it is totally useless and only good for dust storms.
What is wrong with using non-THC Hemp?
http://www.livescience.com/16638-pot-gen...ation.html
Very nice dear but I think you are a bit late to the table and still getting caught up in the enviro-mental pseudo-religious hype. I am hoping that I have at least shown you that Australia has been working on these solutions for decades if not longer (one report said 80years). The assumption that farmers are greedy and only want to rape the land is stupid in the exreme ill-informed at best. The mining companies that I have loosely worked with here in WA... BHP, Chevron, FMG, do seem go to great expense to obtain the valuable export materials with as minimal impact to the environment as possible. Not the least to mention providing jobs for an entire state. (Much much Larger than NSW)
They are not radical and have been happening over decades. What I think you have been told has been misleading at best.
What ever happened to the Household water tank idea??
10 years of El Nino drought
Why is the federal government cancelling the Solar panel subsidy just when it is now MANDATORY legislation that it must be part of all new domestic construction here in Australia?
Too expensive
Why is it that a scientist of a major, high profile research study has made his papers null and void to the Peer Review process by releasing information prior to the completion of the Peer Review Process?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...eague.html
And yes...
WHY hasn't consecutive governments here in OZ, initiated a major Solar powered Electrical grid a reality??
1.Too expensive when coal is so cheap.
2.Possibility of upsetting the Aboriginal people as it would be put onto "their native title land" Especially when you get non-sense like this.....
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/yacht...6015009203
(Prior to the Lake Eyre filling with water no-one gave a tinkers cus.. now it is suddenly sacred as it may make some $$)
Why make NBN such a higher priority and then threaten Internet censorship?
And I haven't even started on the repercussions of job losses and resultant lack of disposable income effects yet....
A few sites for your perusal....
http://www.ata.org.au/forums/topic/58
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Sewrag...iQeSt8nTAw
70 odd pages some with a date of 1978
http://permaculture.org.au/
http://www.biomax.com.au/?gclid=CLiO4PWH...pgodIFAKmQ
tristo Wrote:Let me be a bit clearer, the main sources of greenhouse gas emissions are from energy, industrial processes, waste (garbage dumps) and agriculture.
All anthropogenically generated...agreed. So right here we have as the MAIN source of "greenhouse-gas emissions" ...Humans and their activities.
tristo Wrote:To reduce greenhouse gas emissions we need to do the following;
Firstly, find alternative energy sources for power, industrial processes and vehicles which does not produce greenhouse gases.
So WHICH "green-house gases" are we looking to reduce?? Water vapour? CO2? Methane? Nitrosoxide?
http://www.eia.gov/oiaf/1605/ggccebro/chapter1.html
Many gases exhibit these “greenhouse” properties. Some of them occur in nature (water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide), while others are exclusively human-made (like gases used for aerosols).
tristo Wrote:Secondly, change industrial processes so they dont produce greenhouse gases.
I think you will find that this has already happened. A recent News article regarding the use of Navgas has declared that the volume of Navgas use has not increased but there are more flights in the air. Recently it was pointed out to me that the use of Diesel fuel has become so efficient that companies that jumped on-board with Natural Gas vehicles are abandoning this very wasteful, expensive and inefficient fuel source for better more efficient diesel motors.
tristo Wrote:Thirdly, change practices in agriculture, forestry and waste management which will reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
How are you going to reduce methane?? I am not up on the latest agricultural practices (used here in Australia) but much has been done over the last 20-30 years to improve the productivity and viability of our farms. The "Green-Movement" advocated the use of plantation trees...great idea so many farms set aside areas for such and have to wait 20 years for the end product. Pine is the worst as I have been told that you can only get two crops out of the soil before it is totally useless and only good for dust storms.
What is wrong with using non-THC Hemp?
http://www.livescience.com/16638-pot-gen...ation.html
tristo Wrote:These will all require radical solutions both technologically and in practices.
Very nice dear but I think you are a bit late to the table and still getting caught up in the enviro-mental pseudo-religious hype. I am hoping that I have at least shown you that Australia has been working on these solutions for decades if not longer (one report said 80years). The assumption that farmers are greedy and only want to rape the land is stupid in the exreme ill-informed at best. The mining companies that I have loosely worked with here in WA... BHP, Chevron, FMG, do seem go to great expense to obtain the valuable export materials with as minimal impact to the environment as possible. Not the least to mention providing jobs for an entire state. (Much much Larger than NSW)
tristo Wrote:I know they are very radical measures, however I see them as necessary.
They are not radical and have been happening over decades. What I think you have been told has been misleading at best.
What ever happened to the Household water tank idea??
10 years of El Nino drought
Why is the federal government cancelling the Solar panel subsidy just when it is now MANDATORY legislation that it must be part of all new domestic construction here in Australia?
Too expensive
Why is it that a scientist of a major, high profile research study has made his papers null and void to the Peer Review process by releasing information prior to the completion of the Peer Review Process?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...eague.html
And yes...
WHY hasn't consecutive governments here in OZ, initiated a major Solar powered Electrical grid a reality??
1.Too expensive when coal is so cheap.
2.Possibility of upsetting the Aboriginal people as it would be put onto "their native title land" Especially when you get non-sense like this.....
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/yacht...6015009203
(Prior to the Lake Eyre filling with water no-one gave a tinkers cus.. now it is suddenly sacred as it may make some $$)
Why make NBN such a higher priority and then threaten Internet censorship?
And I haven't even started on the repercussions of job losses and resultant lack of disposable income effects yet....
A few sites for your perusal....
http://www.ata.org.au/forums/topic/58
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Sewrag...iQeSt8nTAw
70 odd pages some with a date of 1978
http://permaculture.org.au/
http://www.biomax.com.au/?gclid=CLiO4PWH...pgodIFAKmQ
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