Do you believe in god or math?

[Abracadabra]

The collective subjective then, what would you call that? If numbers or math are a wild hallucination...they are a wild hallucination shared by every human being down to every last detail. There's probably a simpler word for that eh?

Ever hear of Dyslexia? Right off the bat you are wrong. Why is it that every kid does not score a perfect 100 on their math? Do your kids?

Hmmm right down to the last detail....

I know you are a rational person, but this is delusional. Numbers/math is shared by every human down to the last detail?
Care to prove this?

Truly. Even mathematicians aren't all in agreement with various aspects of the formalism. There are a myriad of problems associated with set theory for example. For example, there were very prominent mathematicians who renounced Georg Cantor's ideas about set theory in the time when it was invented. And there are still mathematicians today who do not accept these ideas completely. They do contain flaws and inconsistencies without a doubt.

People seem to have a truly naive idea of mathematics. It's not nearly as cut-and-dry as people seem to think. It's highly subjective. I personally don't believe that aliens would necessarily have created the same mathematics that we have. Sure, it's going to have some similarities. Our mathematics isn't that lame. But it's far from perfect too.

So I agree with the issues brought up by Pendragon. Neither science, nor mathematics is anywhere near as clear-cut or as well-defined as many atheists would like to believe.

I'm mean this shouldn't send anyone running off to suddenly believe in something as stupid as the bible, for example. But the point is that math and science both are no where near complete or perfect enough to rely upon to offer us any real 'truths' of the nature of reality.

So pitting a belief in a God with a belief in Mathematics is truly naive.

One has nothing to do with the other truly.