(February 1, 2012 at 4:41 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(January 31, 2012 at 11:37 pm)Pendragon Wrote:(January 30, 2012 at 10:17 am)Rhythm Wrote: The collective subjective then, what would you call that? If numbers or math are a wild hallucination...they are a wild hallucination shared by every human being down to every last detail. There's probably a simpler word for that eh?
Ever hear of Dyslexia? Right off the bat you are wrong. Why is it that every kid does not score a perfect 100 on their math? Do your kids?
Hmmm right down to the last detail....
I know you are a rational person, but this is delusional. Numbers/math is shared by every human down to the last detail?
Care to prove this?
Care to "prove" that 1+1=3 for somebody somewhere? Any given persons score on a math test has absolutely no bearing over whether or not math is different, that's a measurement of an individual's aptitude and memory with regards to a system.
Again, I can accept the entirety of our experience as an illusion (go as many levels down as you like)...including math and numbers. Nonetheless, our illusory civilization (made up of illusory beings) has made an illusory agreement on illusory concepts (themselves illusory) that have the illusion of concordance between themselves and the rest of the collective illusion,......and we call that math.
What does an argument for solipsism add to our understanding of these concepts? Entirely nothing (unless you count misplaced platitudes).
No, you said this " If numbers or math are a wild hallucination...they are a wild hallucination shared by every human being down to every last detail."
Lets ask various unfortunate Down Syndrome human beings if they can follow your premise. How about those in a coma? Still humans, I presume.
You never answered if your kids get 100 percent scores on their math tests. Did you?
But to answer your question, the solipsism can only point to where we can never have closure. It is a shadow, yes, but how can you get rid of it?
Perhaps you can illuminate us all as to how we can perfect ourselves from this subjective shadow, and have all knowledge/math be perfect to us all as we breath the information from the universe in and out.
I await your revelation, because that is what it would be, if you know how to banish the shadow of solipsism.
When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.
Mark Twain
Mark Twain