Book of Acts: Pure Fantasy

[brotherlylove]

I'll throw out scientific evidence to start. It is the view of modern science that the Universe had a beginning and that time space matter and energy are in fact finite.

Actually, it is the view of modern science to consider the big-bang as a point of reference from which measurements are made because we have no knowledge of any point of reference prior to that. That does not mean there universe did not exist then in another form.

Further, the finite size of the universe only applies to the "observable" universe. No current scientist would state that the universe is finite for certain.

Why do you believe this is self-refuting?

It is self-refuting because "beginning" means "The point in time or space at which something starts."

To say that time started within some point in time or that space started within some point in space is ridiculous.

The beginning scientists refer to is not the actual beginning but merely a point of reference.

Actually, it also means the beginning of time:

In the realm of the universe, nothing really means nothing. Not only matter and energy would disappear, but also space and time. However, physicists theorize that from this state of nothingness, the universe began in a gigantic explosion about 16.5 billion years ago.

HBJ General Science 1983 Page 362

the universe burst into something from absolutely nothing - zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere. How is that possible? Ask Alan Guth. His theory of inflation helps explain everything.

discover April 2002

Stephan Hawking has said the same. So, you're left with those choices I mentioned before, unless you have a different theory?

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First, you are the one making the claim that something came from nothing,

No I didn't. There is no such thing as nothing, It was your characterization of what science says. Now either show me where I said something comes from nothing or as I said before, go fuck off.

Your appeal to authority to claim I am ignorant (without actually disproving my argument) certainly implied it. What is your view then? If there is no such thing as nothing then we are talking about an eternal something.

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But it's OK for this godboy thingy to make the universe out of nothing..eh b/l?

Who said God created it out of nothing? I certainly didn't. He didn't work with prior material, He simply created the material by His own power.