Book of Acts: Pure Fantasy

[Phil]

Damn boy, how the hell do you remember to breath? Are you really so stupid you think no better understanding has been understood since 1983? That is back when I was an undergrad, lots has changed in my life (mosly older, fatter and uglier) and lots of thing in science are much better understood now. For example, the dreck you cite as scientific truth claims the universe (as was understood in 1983) was 16.5 billion years ago. That value is reduced but derived from the Hubble constant (which itself gives a 20 billion year value). Data (from WIMP) now conclusively shows that the 16.5 billion year value is in error by almost 3 billion years. The currently accepted value (accepted since 2003 although you think 1983 is gospel truth) is 13.72 Billion years. Please pay attention to the EXTRA significant digit. This is what real science tells us not what some goatherder book says.

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Modern cosmology is well acquainted with time having a finite beginning. The Hartle–Hawking initial state proposes a finite beginning prior to the planck epoch.

You really should read what I wrote more carefully. Where exactly in my quote above did I say time or space didn't have a beginning?

A list of books is not an appeal to authority? Are you actually an adult?

It's an appeal to an authority when you don't address the argument but rather say "if only BL read these books then he would understand why his arguments are wrong"

And I stand by that statement - STATEMENT not argument you fucking ignorant piece of shit

Meaning what "banged"? Best as can be said is that the big bang arose out of quantum fluctuations. As I said before (which you apparently didn't read) - NOTHING IS UNSTABLE.

If you think that last statement is wrong. Show why?

Nothing isn't anything, it is no thing. It has no properties. Nothing does not exist.

Correct, nothing does not exist as I keep telling you. You failed to show how you disagree with the statement nothing is unstable. Please do so or this conversation is over.

What caused the quantum fluctuations? What caused the thing that caused that? Are you claiming an infinite regress of causes? Where does the buck stop?

Huh? Make sense boy? Are you claiming that quantum fluctuations don't happen? For a second let's pretend that your skydaddy caused the big bang and then stepped away. Without going into the science of it, there is a wall we can't see beyond at approximately 300,000 years after the big bang (after the big dinner and a movie). The reason is that at the temperature and pressure of the early universe no photons could escape the growing plasma. Everything you see was born out of that plasma after it cooled down (yes, you can still see this as the CMBR). Fact is NO STRUCTURE would be present if there were no quantum fluctuations that caused the initial density differences in the plasma. That was the readers digest version for easy digestion by christoholics. Also because it is probably going to be ignored so why should I bother explaining in any length?

Now do yourself a favor, learn some science before you make yourself look even stupider than you already do.