Book of Acts: Pure Fantasy

[brotherlylove]

Correct, nothing does not exist as I keep telling you. You failed to show how you disagree with the statement nothing is unstable. Please do so or this conversation is over.

un·sta·ble (n-stbl)
adj. un·sta·bler, un·sta·blest
1.
a. Tending strongly to change: unstable weather.
b. Not constant; fluctuating: unstable vital signs.
2.
a. Fickle.
b. Lacking control of one's emotions; marked by unpredictable behavior.
3. Not firmly placed; unsteady: an unstable ladder.
4. Chemistry
a. Decomposing readily.
b. Highly or violently reactive.
5. Physics
a. Decaying with relatively short lifetime. Used of subatomic particles.
b. Radioactive.

Nothing cannot change, fluctuate, be fickle, unsteady, decompose, be reactive, have any physical properties, decay, or be radioactive. Nothing has no properties at all, therefore it cannot be unstable.

Huh? Make sense boy? Are you claiming that quantum fluctuations don't happen? For a second let's pretend that your skydaddy caused the big bang and then stepped away. Without going into the science of it, there is a wall we can't see beyond at approximately 300,000 years after the big bang (after the big dinner and a movie). The reason is that at the temperature and pressure of the early universe no photons could escape the growing plasma. Everything you see was born out of that plasma after it cooled down (yes, you can still see this as the CMBR). Fact is NO STRUCTURE would be present if there were no quantum fluctuations that caused the initial density differences in the plasma. That was the readers digest version for easy digestion by christoholics. Also because it is probably going to be ignored so why should I bother explaining in any length?

I think I was being perfectly clear when I asked what caused the quantum fluctuations you are talking about. Does it make sense to you that in the beginning, there were quantum fluctuations? Why, what, where and how? Do you think that because virtual particles can appear in empty space this means something can come from nothing? Empty space is not nothing. We are still exploring the original scenerio..

The Universe had a beginning, so either

something came from nothing (you seemed to rule that out by saying there is no such thing)
an infinite regress of causes (you have listed quantum fluctuations as the first link in the chain but have failed to explain what the mechanism is, or what came before it, if anything)
an eternal first cause

This is just simple logic..pick one and back it up or submit a fourth option that has a cohesive explanation.

btw, there is no evidence for cosmic inflation; it is merely a fudge factor to explain the horizon problem

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Actually, it also means the beginning of time:

In the realm of the universe, nothing really means nothing. Not only matter and energy would disappear, but also space and time. However, physicists theorize that from this state of nothingness, the universe began in a gigantic explosion about 16.5 billion years ago.

HBJ General Science 1983 Page 362

the universe burst into something from absolutely nothing - zero, nada. And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere. How is that possible? Ask Alan Guth. His theory of inflation helps explain everything.

discover April 2002

Stephan Hawking has said the same. So, you're left with those choices I mentioned before, unless you have a different theory?

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Better educate yourself.

According to the Big Bang theory, the Universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly. This rapid expansion caused the young Universe to cool and resulted in its present continuously expanding state. According to the most recent measurements and observations, this original state existed approximately 13.7 billion years ago,[2][3] which is considered the age of the Universe and the time the Big Bang occurred.[4][5] After its initial expansion from a singularity, the Universe cooled sufficiently to allow energy to be converted into various subatomic particles.

There wasn't "nothing" before. There was the singularity from which the universe originated. It is not creation ex-nihilo.

Further:

Little is known about the earliest moments of the Universe's history. The Penrose–Hawking singularity theorems require the existence of a singularity at the beginning of cosmic time. However, these theorems assume that general relativity is correct, but general relativity must break down before the Universe reaches the Planck temperature, and a correct treatment of quantum gravity may avoid the singularity.[72]

The beginning specifically refers to passage of time as it is currently understood.

I think you should tell me what you specifically believe happened before we get into this further.