You keep saying "If the universe had a beginning... ". Stop right there, it didn't. At least not from scratch.
What I say is that while the universe as we know it had a beginning, it certainly did not come from nothing. Think about how much energy and the laws of the universe evolved in just the first few micro seconds of the big bang. It is not known that the singularity which gave rise to the big bang popped into being out of nothingness. I suspect a limitless regression of prior states of something which eventually gave rise to the universe as we know it today.
The universe is, in that sense, eternal but your god is not. You have defined him as such and have found him ever so handy for explaining every vexing question. But that doesn't mean you're correct.
So we have this on your authority? You xtians are the ones making Him up so I suppose you should be able to define him as you like. But if you want to base any argument on the fact that god is eternal then you're just being circular. God is an eternal being? You're sure about this .. how? DON"T QUOTE SCRIPTURES!!! They mean even less than what you've been saying and I won't read them anyway.
If an eternal universe is unimaginable to you then you don't get to assume an eternal being who pulls universes out of his hat. Or if you do, you're just being silly and we will all have to laugh at you some more.
What I say is that while the universe as we know it had a beginning, it certainly did not come from nothing. Think about how much energy and the laws of the universe evolved in just the first few micro seconds of the big bang. It is not known that the singularity which gave rise to the big bang popped into being out of nothingness. I suspect a limitless regression of prior states of something which eventually gave rise to the universe as we know it today.
The universe is, in that sense, eternal but your god is not. You have defined him as such and have found him ever so handy for explaining every vexing question. But that doesn't mean you're correct.
(February 4, 2012 at 7:03 pm)brotherlylove Wrote: No one designed the designer. God is an eternal being.
So we have this on your authority? You xtians are the ones making Him up so I suppose you should be able to define him as you like. But if you want to base any argument on the fact that god is eternal then you're just being circular. God is an eternal being? You're sure about this .. how? DON"T QUOTE SCRIPTURES!!! They mean even less than what you've been saying and I won't read them anyway.
If an eternal universe is unimaginable to you then you don't get to assume an eternal being who pulls universes out of his hat. Or if you do, you're just being silly and we will all have to laugh at you some more.
