RE: urge to pray - advice/help
February 5, 2012 at 6:39 am
(This post was last modified: February 5, 2012 at 6:42 am by ElDinero.)
(February 5, 2012 at 6:22 am)brotherlylove Wrote: Hey El DineroNice to meet you. I was commenting from my perspective. Knowing the love of God, and knowing how much it meant to passionatefool, it breaks my heart to see him suffering, that he thinks God doesnt love him, or that He isnt even real. I don't know what happened in his life, but if he read the parable of the prodigal son, he would see the way God feels about him. God doesnt answer every prayer; we are to pray for what is in His will to do, not necessarily what we might want, because we don't know what we need. He does, and sometimes we go through a time of trials, even near to the point of death, that prove our faith, testing it by fire.
If you can only pray for stuff that's already part of God's will, what's the point in praying for it? This in no way contradicts my assertion that your God is indifferent. He does what he wants to do, and you praying for it is incidental. It's also a very convenient get out clause: 'Oh he doesn't answer ALL prayers, silly, but I know he definitely answers some, because some of the time I pray for things, they happen' - utter garbage. Do you think that people who pray get more things they want than people that don't? Because I quite often get the things I want, without prayer. So either prayer doesn't work, or God is happy enough to provide for me to the same degree as he provides for you, despite my lack of belief. Either way, the efficacy of prayer is shown to be nil.
Quote:On my contention about the nihilism inherent of believing we live in an indifferent Universe that mercilessly grinds everything into powder, you could start I suppose by differentiating your position from this comment by Richard Dawkins:
"In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference."
I wouldn't differentiate my position whatsoever from that statement. Now show how this is nihilism.