(February 5, 2012 at 12:56 pm)RW_9 Wrote: The unknown science approach that is becoming more and more popular seems silly to me. Since some things are unknown, you just randomly decide to attach spiritual terms to the unknown? That is no different than people who claim we can't know the origins of the universe, thus it must have been the doing of a deity. It is nothing more than people being uncomfortable with the purely unknown and filling it with feel-good nonsense to make them feel more secure about existence.
I understand your sentiments. But I'm not saying that a spiritual world necessarily has to exist, or that I even necessarily believe that it does.
My arguments are really concerned with people who attempt to proclaim that to even remotely consider that there might be a spiritual essence to life is utterly 'stupid' and unsupportable.
IMHO, that position is just as unwarranted as those who demand that a spiritual essence to life must necessarily exist.
My argument is to basically state that the door has not be closed on the possibility of a spiritual essence to life, and that I can personally imagine many plausible scenarios that have cannot be ruled out by our current knowledge of the true nature of reality (which is basically zilch truly!)
I don't "need" for the world to be spiritual. I have no problem with death, or simply ceasing to exist. What would be the big deal about that? I would just be lights out and I wouldn't even know that I had died, (or even that I had ever lived). I simply wouldn't exist anymore.
To me that is not 'scary'. Why should I fear something that I wouldn't even know happened?
I don't reach out to the idea of a spiritual world in the desperation of avoiding death. In fact, in some sense, to simply cease to exist has a far more tranquil and peaceful attraction to it. You just disappear and that's that. What could be easier?
If a spiritual world actually exists then that means that crap is never going to stop happening. That could be actually be quite a burden.
So maybe ceasing to exist would actually be far better.
I don't believe that a spiritual world exists because I necessarily want that to be the case. I believe that it exists because ceasing to exist is probably too darn good to be true.
But no, seriously, I confess that the idea that there might be something more to life than this fucked up life we're currently experiencing does have an appeal. Especially if the "True Nature" of our spiritual essence is far better than the current situation.
It's certainly worth pondering I think. Hey, if it's plausible, then it may very well be possible. Why be so quick to rule it out?
Wouldn't it be great, if when we die we actually "wake up" and realize that we are just some sort of mysterious consciousness that was dreaming?
Maybe those dreams are even like videos in a library and we're currently experience the one called "Earth".
I mean, holy shit, you could just take that video, toss it in the trash can and say, "Who wrote that fucking dream?". And then move on into a better dream.
If that's the true nature of spiritual existence wouldn't that be better than just ceasing to exist?
And if it's plausible, why be so quick to rule it out?
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!