(February 6, 2012 at 12:44 am)brotherlylove Wrote: I don't think you've understood the subject matter. You have yet to admit that time space matter and energy had a finite beginning, even though it is widely agreed upon by cosmologists. I have shown evidence that the Universe does have a beginning, and simple logic tells you everything which begins to exist has a cause. We can infer quite a bit from these simple facts, such as that the cause of the universe is necessarily timeless, spaceless, extremely power and transcendent. I am not arguing that it is the only explanation, I am arguing it is the best explanation.
You misunderstand me. Certainly matter and energy had a beginning. As I said, in the first micro seconds of the big bang the various energy forces had not yet separated and it would be a while before anything would coalesce into matter. That doesn't contradict what I'm saying. I said that everything has come from something that existed before. Everything in the universe as we know it today came from that big bang. As a singularity there is nothing we can point to which is the same as what we observe now. Nonetheless everything that we see today was contained therein. That does not mean that anything came from nothing. Yes matter and energy as such had a definite beginning but they did not come from nothing. They came ultimately from what was in that singularity (not what was inside your sky daddy).
What came before the singularity? I don't believe anyone knows though some say some paradoxical sounding things. You hear that space and time also began with the big bang. I say no one knows that for sure. There is no reason to think that the singularity which gave rise to this universe is or was unique. If you could travel far enough you might find out we live in one of an infinite number of multiverses. If that is so then we don't have to assume that time and space itself began with the big bang.
The point is, we don't need a magic genie to explain anything. Personifying whatever it is which gave rise to the singularity simply adds nothing to an explanation.
