Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 14, 2024, 8:29 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
urge to pray - advice/help
#40
RE: urge to pray - advice/help
Quote:Your problem here may be that you're applying human limitations to an unlimited being. Do you believe that a matter of geography limits His providence? The word is preached everywhere in the world, and where it isn't, God sends dreams and visions. You assume that people are slipping through the cracks, I don't.

This is doctrine well spoken, but bullshit well spoken is still bullshit. I've heard this before (and many variations their of). I even vaguely remember the scripture reference that supports it. Here is my problem with it: There is no factual evidence to back it up. To do so would require a worldwide study -say perhaps a questioner. Some way of measuring weather everyone in the world understands the salvation message to the point where they were able to make a conscious decision about it. After all those who don't choose god or the right god is bound for eternal torment in hell. To say that god takes care of those who have never heard the salvation message is to cover over a very large problem and then walk away. You assume people aren't slipping through the cracks. You have no proof of this.

Also, this brings up the problem of the great commission. Why use missionaries? Wait a sec, I've heard those excuses before. It still bothers me though that some people get every opportunity to avoid eternal torment yet other people have to make their decision based on a supposed dream. Furthermore so many missionaries working in areas that have oppressive governments are killed for spreading the gospel when god could have just cut the crap and given these people a dream.

Quote:Is this how you understood your relationship with our Heavenly Father? Did you in all the time you had prayed ever once utter these words?: (speak Lord, your servant is listening)

My belief in God isn't based on what I receive from prayer, it is based on a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have been blessed to experience the presence of God in my life ever since the day I received the Holy Spirit, and that has never ceased. I do not need to do anything to sustain my belief because I trust the Lord in all matters of my life and He is faithful.

If you eliminate all material wishes from prayer there still remains elements critical to relationship. these are answered questions. Some deal with direction and decisions and others are more general. Questions like these are critical to human relationships but somehow god can get away with not answering them or at least not doing so in a timely manner. This hurts a person's relationship with god but they are so bent on believing (I've noticed) that they will make excuses for their sky daddy so they can continue to worship him.
I have studied the Bible and the theology behind Christianity for many years. I have been to many churches. I have walked the depth and the breadth of the religion and, as a result of this, I have a lot of bullshit to scrape off the bottom of my shoes. ~Ziploc Surprise

Reply



Messages In This Thread
urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 2, 2012 at 12:55 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 2, 2012 at 12:58 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 2, 2012 at 1:07 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 2, 2012 at 1:11 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 2, 2012 at 1:17 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by reverendjeremiah - February 2, 2012 at 1:24 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 2, 2012 at 1:52 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 2, 2012 at 1:31 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 2, 2012 at 5:01 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Magic Pudding - February 2, 2012 at 7:07 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Doubting Thomas - February 2, 2012 at 3:34 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by DarthAshleigh - February 2, 2012 at 6:42 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by phurgawtin - February 2, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Undeceived - February 2, 2012 at 9:33 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Minimalist - February 2, 2012 at 9:49 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 4, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 4, 2012 at 7:57 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by ElDinero - February 5, 2012 at 6:03 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 5, 2012 at 6:22 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by ElDinero - February 5, 2012 at 6:39 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 5, 2012 at 7:15 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by ElDinero - February 5, 2012 at 7:48 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 6, 2012 at 12:42 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Minimalist - February 4, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 4, 2012 at 9:31 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Minimalist - February 4, 2012 at 10:02 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 4, 2012 at 10:19 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Minimalist - February 4, 2012 at 11:54 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 5, 2012 at 12:07 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 5, 2012 at 6:28 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by RW_9 - February 5, 2012 at 2:19 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 5, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 5, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Faith No More - February 6, 2012 at 12:39 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 5, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 5, 2012 at 11:09 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by J.D. - February 6, 2012 at 1:26 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Faith No More - February 6, 2012 at 1:35 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 6, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 6, 2012 at 11:16 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 6, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 6, 2012 at 9:11 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 7, 2012 at 3:41 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 7, 2012 at 8:40 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 8, 2012 at 12:58 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 6, 2012 at 9:15 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by genkaus - February 7, 2012 at 12:38 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 7, 2012 at 12:56 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 7, 2012 at 1:13 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 7, 2012 at 1:07 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 7, 2012 at 1:24 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 7, 2012 at 6:58 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by downbeatplumb - February 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by tackattack - February 7, 2012 at 7:10 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Minimalist - February 15, 2012 at 12:44 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 7, 2012 at 8:52 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 7, 2012 at 8:57 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 7, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 7, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Minimalist - February 7, 2012 at 11:48 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 8, 2012 at 5:53 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 7, 2012 at 8:53 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 8, 2012 at 3:37 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by tackattack - February 8, 2012 at 7:35 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 10, 2012 at 12:09 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by genkaus - February 10, 2012 at 9:04 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by phurgawtin - February 8, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Doubting Thomas - February 8, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by tackattack - February 9, 2012 at 3:10 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by tackattack - February 9, 2012 at 5:39 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 9, 2012 at 8:42 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 9, 2012 at 3:11 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 3:11 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 9, 2012 at 3:12 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 3:14 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2012 at 11:46 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by tackattack - February 13, 2012 at 7:38 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 1:53 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 11, 2012 at 5:44 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by genkaus - February 11, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 13, 2012 at 9:56 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by genkaus - February 13, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 13, 2012 at 12:12 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by genkaus - February 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 13, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by genkaus - February 13, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Undeceived - February 13, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by genkaus - February 13, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 13, 2012 at 9:56 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 10, 2012 at 3:29 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by phurgawtin - February 10, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 11, 2012 at 8:54 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 11, 2012 at 11:18 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 11, 2012 at 11:44 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 13, 2012 at 10:01 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 13, 2012 at 10:51 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by genkaus - February 13, 2012 at 12:33 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 13, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Faith No More - February 13, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 13, 2012 at 11:19 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by genkaus - February 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Faith No More - February 13, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 13, 2012 at 11:37 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Faith No More - February 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by brotherlylove - February 13, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 13, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 13, 2012 at 11:18 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 13, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Undeceived - February 14, 2012 at 3:48 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by genkaus - February 14, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 14, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Undeceived - February 14, 2012 at 7:45 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 14, 2012 at 9:25 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Undeceived - February 14, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Ziploc Surprise - February 15, 2012 at 8:03 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Cinjin - February 14, 2012 at 10:04 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Epimethean - February 15, 2012 at 9:10 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Reforged - February 15, 2012 at 8:28 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by tackattack - February 22, 2012 at 4:00 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 22, 2012 at 9:35 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by tackattack - February 23, 2012 at 8:28 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Mister Agenda - February 22, 2012 at 5:44 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by reverendjeremiah - February 22, 2012 at 8:25 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by passionatefool - February 23, 2012 at 1:28 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by KichigaiNeko - February 23, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by The Grand Nudger - February 23, 2012 at 1:33 pm
RE: urge to pray - advice/help - by Faith No More - February 23, 2012 at 6:46 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Seeking meaningful advice from atheists Ad Astra 85 9123 May 15, 2022 at 12:49 pm
Last Post: h311inac311
  Atheists: I have tips of advice why you are a hated non religious dogmatic group inUS Rinni92 13 3528 August 5, 2020 at 3:43 pm
Last Post: Sal
  Fear of hell, advice please orthodox-man 120 28760 March 10, 2018 at 10:08 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Just a bit of advice please MattyVigilante 17 3154 March 1, 2018 at 4:09 am
Last Post: SaStrike
  Need advice for going to college Won2blv 33 5548 September 19, 2016 at 12:26 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  I think my mother may be becoming an atheist, advice? IanHulett 22 6313 October 17, 2015 at 5:09 pm
Last Post: abaris
  Any advice on coming out to my parents? BitchinHitchins 26 7524 August 2, 2015 at 2:13 pm
Last Post: Jenny A
  Atheists Pray! (According to Christians) piterski123 42 9101 June 25, 2015 at 11:31 am
Last Post: Gawdzilla
  atheist looking for advice jackriot100 56 11451 February 15, 2015 at 5:02 am
Last Post: emilynghiem
  Advice for dating a Christian Lemonvariable72 55 12247 January 8, 2015 at 7:38 am
Last Post: Brakeman



Users browsing this thread: 3 Guest(s)