(February 8, 2012 at 5:37 am)brotherlylove Wrote: The tuning is finer than is easily comprehensible, but maybe you're capable of imagining numbers larger than the number of particles in the Universe. When I say a life-permitting Universe, that means it can support some kind of life vs no life. The percentage of the Universe that can support life is irrelevent to the question. Instead of copying and pasting, I'll direct you to this website which shows the fine tuning parameters and the impossibility of life if they were slightly altered:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/designun.html
Like I said before, this only shows that by changing the parameters, life AS WE KNOW IT, would not be possible. You have any evidence showing that no other form of life would not be possible either.
While we are on the subject, you have any evidence showing that those parameters are "tunable", i.e. it is possible for them to be something other than what they are?
(February 8, 2012 at 5:37 am)brotherlylove Wrote: It can if we formulate the argument like this:
begins to exist = comes into being
x begins to exist if and only if x exists at some time t and there is no time t* prior to t at which x exists
God creating x as the timeless, efficient cause of x
And the implicit premise in the formulation is that "there can be a t* prior to t". If there cannot be, then the formulations fails completely, causality stands inapplicable, the universe always exists and god doesn't.
(February 8, 2012 at 5:37 am)brotherlylove Wrote: When God is referred to as an infinite being, this is a qualitative conception, not a quantitative one. It is referring to His superlative attributes, like omnipotence, moral perfection, etc..
So he's not eternal then? Being eternal means living for infinite time. If that attribute is simply superlative rather than qualitative, then god doesn't actually live for eternity, just a very long time.
(February 8, 2012 at 5:37 am)brotherlylove Wrote: For the past to be potentially infinite, it would be finite at any point but growing towards infinity the other direction, which contradicts temporal becoming.
Why would it need to be finite at any point to be potentially infinite?
(February 8, 2012 at 5:37 am)brotherlylove Wrote: Also, if the number of events from the past to the present is finite, then that means the past had a beginning.
Ergo, number of events from the past are infinite as well.
(February 8, 2012 at 5:37 am)brotherlylove Wrote: Since this was the center of activity, I think it is the relevent perspective.
As usual, tiny humans arrogant in their own self-importance.
(February 7, 2012 at 4:34 am)genkaus Wrote: Odd then that we only have around 4500 years of written history, which is around the time scripture says the flood came.
Why is it odd? The material things were written on are not eternal. They get old and crumble to dust like everything else. What matters is that the content was copied and stored into new mediums periodically.


