RE: Understanding/Sympathizing/forbearing people
February 9, 2012 at 4:56 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2012 at 5:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Sure, but again, it's difficult to determine what a rational "innate right" is if we cannot demonstrate such a thing as an "innate right" in the objective sense. If our definition is simply "originating in the mind" (which is one definition of innate btw) then all innate rights we could possibly conceive of are rational, aren't they? Such as my innate right to eat your children. Isn't it much better to simply go with what we can show? That we have decided that there are things called rights, that we've decided what those rights are (for now, subject to revision) and that even though these rights can only be shown to exist in our minds they are useful and we should keep plugging along with them, as long as we always remember just how shaky the concept is. That thin veneer of civility bit. There's a difference between saying, "this concept is useful", and "this concept is objectively true, or exists objectively" That difference is important to me. We can rationilize rights, but to demand that something so emotional be completely rational is probably expecting a little to much from us (though obviously, I wish we could be completely rational and completely "human" at the same time...sometimes our irrationality does shine brightly in our favor)
They are, aren't they. They weren't conceived as such amusingly, nor do they always do this. I agree, very counter-intuitive, but at the end of the day we've decided that we have to protect ourselves from the tyranny of the majority somehow, and this leaves the door open to both the good and the bad, as it were.
I'm pretty sure you're being very generous with regards to our character.
(playing the devils advocate on some things is very very difficult btw, thanks for bearing with me thusfar,..lol)
They are, aren't they. They weren't conceived as such amusingly, nor do they always do this. I agree, very counter-intuitive, but at the end of the day we've decided that we have to protect ourselves from the tyranny of the majority somehow, and this leaves the door open to both the good and the bad, as it were.
I'm pretty sure you're being very generous with regards to our character.
(playing the devils advocate on some things is very very difficult btw, thanks for bearing with me thusfar,..lol)
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