Book of Acts: Pure Fantasy

[genkaus]

I never said all life anywhere, I said life here. Yes, there is a spiritual life, and physical life is empowered by spiritual life, otherwise you're just dealing with empty shells. You think the surface is the depth, staring dead into the veil. So, when I say life isn't possible otherwise, I will ammend it to mean, life as you generally understand it.

Then I would say - so fucking what? If the constants had been different, the life as we know it wouldn't have existed and maybe some other form of life would have. That is not evidence of fine-tuning. We are simply one of the possible consequences. Its arrogant to think that we were the objective all along.

You have faith in a self-creating Universe.

No I don't.

I don't believe Universes happen by themselves.

Me neither.

So, you actually do believe that nothing created everything, regardless of how you play with definitions.

Nope.

God could have created it in any given configuration, so therefore they are finely tuned.

If any configuration would have sufficeed and it just landed on this one, then it is arbitrarily tuned, not fine tuned.

How is the Universe timeless?

Because there cannot be any time outside the universe.

How did the Universe cause itself?

The universe did not cause itself - it is the efficient cause. Which means, it itself is causeless.

Something eternal by definition exists outside of time.

No. By definition, something eternal exists for all time, not outside time.

If you want to rehash this point, fine; Gods infinity is qualitative, not quantitative. It is referring to His superlative attributes, such as moral perfection, omnipotence, omnipresence, etc

Then why simply consider his lifespan to be exempt from this distinction? Special pleading?

In that particular instance he was talking about potential infinities. Obviously you can't add anything to an actual infinity, can you?

Ofcourse you can. Potential infinites of mind are actual infinites of physical reality.

If you don't have an actually infinite amount of things, you are dealing with a finite number. A potential infinite is *potentially infinite* not *actually infinite*

Duh. We do have infinite amount of things. They are referred to as potential infinites because we haven't finished counting them - obviously.