(February 9, 2012 at 11:46 am)Rhythm Wrote: That's cool, we'll go with that definition, omnibenevolence is a desire (and not necessarily an action). Is there a desire that your god could not act upon? Is there some good that it wishes to do that for some reason it cannot? If yes, you see where we're headed....if no..then indifference or complacence, and you would not say that an omnibenevolent being is indifferent or complacent. I'm not even addressing malice as a cause, since omnibenevolence would seem to rule that out entirely.I only have time for the short replies today.
Classic dilemma shit and all that, you know the drill.
Is there a desire that your god could not act upon? Simple answer no. I suppose for an arguemnts sake, we could assume that God could desire evil things. That would then negate Him being good by definition. Could He desire evil? No, evil is the opposite of His definition. God would then desire all good for everyone and nothing would be out of His power to stop that. I know that'll get all jumped all over so let's just get to the crux of it.
God desires only good for His creation.
God has the power to make everything good.
God created mankind in this scenario in the garden of Eden.
There was no death, sickness, disease, birth defect or physical lacking for needs that we're aware of in the Garden of Eden.
Perhaps you have a problem with the evil in society today, I claim it's not God made, but God allowed and man made. It could or might not be for our better good in the long run. If it is better for us to struggle and fight the evils of the world then the hypothesis that God is good is valid.
Bottom line, I see a lot of Evil in the world, as many of you do. I think neither one of us attribute it to God (you of course because you don't believe in God, and I because of the reasons stated). So I don't see why the Problem of Evil still exists since neither the atheist side, nor the theist side (in my case) claim that God isn't the cause of it.
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