RE: Book of Acts: Pure Fantasy
February 13, 2012 at 11:58 am
(This post was last modified: February 13, 2012 at 11:59 am by brotherlylove.)
(February 13, 2012 at 11:17 am)genkaus Wrote: How do you know that? All you can say is that there wouldn't be any life as we know it. That does not mean that there wouldn't be a life at all.
No, I can say from most of those parameters that there wouldn't be any life at all.
(February 13, 2012 at 11:17 am)genkaus Wrote: Why not?
Because more than a few of the parameters would make the Universe absent of any structure, molecules, or existence.
(February 13, 2012 at 11:17 am)genkaus Wrote: Read again, you moron. I did not say that the universe was its own cause. I said that the universe was causeless and therefore the efficient cause of everything within it. The universe is causeless, beginning-less and eternal and that is why it is the efficient cause of everything else.
Round and round we go. All of the evidence points to the Universe having a beginning. As I've shown you here:
http://www.ctc.cam.ac.uk/stephen70/talks...lenkin.pdf
All of the models which postulate an eternal Universe are fatally flawed. I've also demonstrated an eternal past is logically incoherent. You have no argument except to just assert your position over and over again.
(February 13, 2012 at 11:17 am)genkaus Wrote: Yes, there are actual infinities. You simply cannot know for certain.
If you wish to say that, I will say that there is a God and you simply cannot know for certain.
(February 13, 2012 at 11:17 am)genkaus Wrote: As to your argument: positing an infinite past, we have a finite number of events between a point in the past and a point in present, but events can still stream backwards. Which means the past had no beginning. Which means the past had no beginning
What you're proposing is logically absurd; you cannot say that new past events are being added to the beginning of the series. And it still contradicts temporal becoming, which is not something you get to dismiss out of hand. The past has been actualized and is not merely potential. Time is only travelling forward and not backwards.
(February 13, 2012 at 11:34 am)whateverist Wrote:(February 13, 2012 at 10:42 am)brotherlylove Wrote:(February 11, 2012 at 8:53 am)genkaus Wrote: The universe did not cause itself - it is the efficient cause. Which means, it itself is causeless.
Sorry, try again. An efficient cause is external to the thing it is causing.
You lost me. Does that mean that God cannot be his own efficient cause? Ah hah! Just as I suspected, you don't find such a wonderfully made 'watch' as God just assembling himself. No sirree. The watch maker must have had a maker!
God has no cause. He is eternal. God was external to the Universe when He created it.
Psalm 19:1-2
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
