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(February 18, 2012 at 1:41 am)brotherlylove Wrote: I agree, that there must be an eternal first cause. Since time, space matter and energy had a beginning, it means the cause is timeless, spaceless, unimaginably powerful and transcendent. It also implies a personal cause because if the cause is eternal, the effect should also be eternal. Because it is temporal it points to agent causation.

There are lots of ideas on what caused the big bang without the need for a god. Some are supported by more evidence than others. Such as the universe expanding and eventually collapsing back in on itself creating another big bang causing an infinite chain of big bangs. Another idea is that our universe is just a membrane in a sea of hundreds of billions of other membrane and the big bang was the result of a collision of these membranes which happens quite frequently. Another idea is that the universe was created from nothing and it is said that in a world of nothingness, nothingness itself becomes unstable and causes quantum fluctuations which caused the big bang.

All of these ideas are backed by evidence, far more evidence than any god theory; however, they need a lot more evidence than they have now because the stakes are so high when you claiming that cause of existence.

All you are doing is thinking.... "hmmm, something had to initiate the chain of causality, and that thing would have to be immortal. It only makes since if that thing is a 'who'. The 'who' needs a name so I will call him God."


As far as the OP goes... I don't know why the world wouldn't look beautiful to us. After all, we did evolve in it and it would only make since that we evolve with a sense that it is beautiful. I can't imagine a species evolving thinking their environment is ugly no matter how ugly humans may find it. I personally find cockroaches disgusting but apparently from the perception of a male cockroach he finds something sexy about a female cockroach and that is because evolution made it necessary for him to have that perception.
“You don't get to advertise all the good that your religion does without first scrupulously subtracting all the harm it does and considering seriously the question of whether some other religion, or no religion at all, does better. ”
― Daniel C. Dennett
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Nature - by Forsaken - February 16, 2012 at 6:35 pm
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