For Black History Month

[thesummerqueen]

So me thinking that Tiberius might be a secret racist because he's all for letting people put up whites only signs, and even breaking out the dogs and firehoses on blacks who wish to do business with them "depending on how violent they are" is bad?

Tiberius: would you be in favor of people of any race deciding they could say which race they want to serve in their private business and defending their business if someone tried to force their way in?

I don't agree with it. Unfortunately or fortunately, I've talked with him enough publicly and privately to say I think I know his overall support. If he called you deluded when he didn't explain himself adequately, well, fuck, miscommunication happens...like up above. We use that word far too liberally and I don't like it, as I've stated elsewhere. So if I understand him then he's probably figured he's explained himself well enough and you continue not to see, and you haven't had it explained to your satisfaction.

How about when Napolean said I was either blind or disengenuous? Are you upset at that as well? Im not, and I approached it and openly stood up for myself and corrected it with points....not by claiming I have a right to ignore him and that he is delsuional.

First, I don't think I have to explain that calling someone blind or liar after they have repeatedly attempted to explain themselves is quite the same as labeling someone a racist, but fine I'll give it to you because of what I said above: you and Tib are not seeing eye to eye and it's making you think he's a racist. It upset me, because I clearly think he isn't, and I said I wouldn't stand by while someone did. I don't think you're disengenuous - I think your disagreement has blinded you to an extent. I'll stand up and defend you when I think you're being painted in the wrong light too.

What am i supposed to think when someone is fine with "whites only" signs being put up? Even supports them to legally do it and have it enforced by the police?

See above - that's part of his libertarian ideas. Excuse me for a moment, Tiberius: you don't live in the US, and you don't have quite the understanding of how people use those principles in order to exclude people for bullshit reasons - you support a system that has the ideal that people wouldn't discriminate based on something so stupid, but that's not how the world works, hence why Rev and I support more progressive policies.

If someone said "The vatican is its own entity, and if they want to rape little kids then that is their right. Of course I dont support raping kids, but the vatican has its rights to move their priests around other countries to avoid laws as well."

Refusing service is not the same as raping children. If someone storms your business and you defend it, that's not the same as raping children. Can we clarify what situation he thought was necessary to have dogs and hoses? Peaceful protest? Or violent? Because I'd except riot police beating the fuck out of white people, black people, asians, latinos, or martians if they're setting fire to some place - even a neo-nazi hang out.

and people like me have to jump through hoops of philosophies, histories, etc...etc...to plead my case.

You're not jumping through any hoops, and the only one getting excited is you.

Now after this person posts that he is fine with enforcing whites only businesses, he turns around and makes a post that is critical of black history month.

Hm, again, I do believe he posted it because he believes in the egalitarianism that Morgan Freeman tried to described, but god forbid (excuse the expression) a white person agree with it. If I had posted it, what would have made it different? Simply because I support progressive measures? I could love all races except black people. How about asking instead WHAT about the video he valued, rather than just assuming it's because he's racist? I don't think he is, but I also don't think he has a clear understanding of what happened here in America (we've had this discussion before, and I'm sorry, Tiberius, your views of our history AND of the Tea Party, as an example, are idealistic and sometimes just wrong) but they're not coming from a vindictive standpoint.

And I can question the authenticity of your evidence, or your interpretation of it, all I like.