The wars of history are a different breed than modern war. They are still able to be argued as ideologically wrong, as it is a matter of opinion. I don't really want to argue about the right and wrongness of the historical wars, and that was not what I was talking about. I am talking about war in it's modern incantation, and for you to bring up a different kind of war (being the kind we used to fight/fought before) is arguing a different thing. Whether or not America's involvement in WW2 was "right" is a matter of opinion, and not what I am trying to discuss. I am trying to discuss America's involvement in conflict since about 1950, and more so since 2001. Modern war, the war on terror, Israel strutting, and all it's other facets are (I think) what I say they are. Without merit, without legitimacy and murderous... That is also a matter of opinion. We can talk about Hitler (if we absolutely have to), but that is a different conversation.
Let me try again,
If I may restate my point. You can only claim that protecting you loved ones, and dying to do so is honorable, or heroic, or even right if the thing you are doing actually protects your loved ones. It doesn't seem to matter if you think it is, because you could be wrong. I think that the wars we are engaged in now (and I am saying nothing about ww2) are not in any way protecting our loved ones. I could make a great argument for how the wars are making our loved ones much less safe. Terrorism is created, and these wars on terror are the exact thing that creates more terrorism. I used to say that GWB was lying when he said there was a threat from world terror, but if we let him have his war too long, it would be self fulfilling. Now in 100 years when there is so much hatred and terror in the world, he will be heralded as having a keen mind to have seen it coming...
Problem Reaction Solution. They warned us about that too, you know.
Or keep bringing up the Nazis. Compare apples and oranges to justify yourself.
Thank you,
-Pip
Quote:How many more racist statements are you going to make?Likely a few. I use them in the context of bitter cynicism and sarcasm. It is not the use of the term that makes you a racist, it is the state of your mind. I try my best to treat all humans as of the same value, and have much love and respect for other cultures and our differences.
Let me try again,
Quote:If you think that being in Afghanistan is somehow a "heroic" act, and every raghead you kill makes your loved ones safer...In the context of the sentence it is placed, I am making a hypothetical statement about the possible thoughts of an imaginary individual. That is the "If you think..." part of it. The term comes up as an example of the possible state-of-mind of the hypothetical person, of whom I am obviously mocking and disagreeing with. I guess I didn't put it in quotations, like heroic, but oh well.
If I may restate my point. You can only claim that protecting you loved ones, and dying to do so is honorable, or heroic, or even right if the thing you are doing actually protects your loved ones. It doesn't seem to matter if you think it is, because you could be wrong. I think that the wars we are engaged in now (and I am saying nothing about ww2) are not in any way protecting our loved ones. I could make a great argument for how the wars are making our loved ones much less safe. Terrorism is created, and these wars on terror are the exact thing that creates more terrorism. I used to say that GWB was lying when he said there was a threat from world terror, but if we let him have his war too long, it would be self fulfilling. Now in 100 years when there is so much hatred and terror in the world, he will be heralded as having a keen mind to have seen it coming...
Problem Reaction Solution. They warned us about that too, you know.
Or keep bringing up the Nazis. Compare apples and oranges to justify yourself.
Thank you,
-Pip
