(February 26, 2012 at 5:53 pm)Rhythm Wrote: How, precisely, do you reckon that science or scientists determined that there was something beyond the "veil", do they have scientific reasons or something else? If they have a scientific explanation for why they suggest that something is beyond that veil then it sounds like it's still within the domain of science Abra, or.....you're misinformed.
I'm not misinformed. You're just making intuitive assumptions that don't necessarily hold true.
You say that if science has scientific reason for something being beyond the 'veil' of quantum mechanics this should automatically make whatever is beyond that veil within the reach of science. But that doesn't automatically follow at all.
But then again, I supposed that can depend on what you mean by 'science'.
One problem is that if you use the word 'science' to simply mean any "form of inquiry that it takes to move forward" - then sure. By that definition anything and everything can potentially be within the realm of "science".
The reason being that you would simply keep changing "The Scientific Method" of inquiry to match the new challenges. In other words, you'd have to keep changing what we even mean by "Science".
Currently (and for all of human history), science has been a means of experiment and observation based on a very strict mathematical formalism that quantifies the world in terms of very well defined "units". In other words, the "oneness" of things, or out ability to break things down into units of 'oneness' is essential for mathematics to work. And our current science is entirely dependent upon this type of mathematics.
I'm not saying that what lies beyond the quantum veil may be permanently out of the reach of human comprehension. What I'm saying is that it's clearly beyond the reach of science as we have always 'defined it' to be.
How do we know that there are things beyond the quantum veil. Well, as I've already said, ask anyone who studies quantum information. There are very strong reasons why scientists believe that such quantum information exists.
@ apophenia - I'll read the article you've posted as soon as I can. However I see that the article you've pointed to is from 1979. There have been many breakthroughs since 1979, especially in the field of quantum information. So that article is probably quite naive.
I'll read it anyway and get back to you.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
