RE: " War, what is it good for? "....Edwin Starr.
August 3, 2009 at 3:32 pm
(This post was last modified: August 3, 2009 at 3:41 pm by Kyuuketsuki.)
(August 2, 2009 at 6:20 pm)bozo Wrote:(August 2, 2009 at 5:24 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: I can't be arsed but yeah, it doesn't surprise me ... you seem to typify everything I hate about unrealistic idealistic views.
I started this thread with the words of the late Harry Patch. Did he typify " unrealistic, idealistic views "?
He had an opinion, one he is (perhaps) more entitled to than some. I disagree with him but there you go.
Kyu
(August 3, 2009 at 5:14 am)Pippy Wrote:Quote:you seem to typify everything I hate about unrealistic idealistic views
Quote:As far as I am concerned there is no greater sacrifice that can be made than to put oneself between one's family/friends/country/kin and danger. I believe that is the ultimate sacrifice and I believe that makes that person (particularly those who give their lives for others in that way) worthy of being regarded as heroic.
It is funny, because you are hating on unrealistic, idealistic views, and twos post ago you had one yourself.
And that would be YOUR opinion, one I don't happen to share ... next?
(August 3, 2009 at 5:14 am)Pippy Wrote: Your point is like whomever said they feel a moral obligation to pay taxes... If there is no greater sacrifice than to defend you family, but only if you're actually defending your family. If you think that being in Afghanistan is somehow a "heroic" act, and every raghead you kill makes your loved ones safer... Or that by you dying, it is the "ultimate sacrifice". Yeah, ultimate in the sense that you got nothing for it.
Way to go twisting my remarks ... now would you like to read what I actually WROTE again and perhaps deal with that instead of what you thought I was saying?
(August 3, 2009 at 5:14 am)Pippy Wrote: The war you are in has to be just. It has to be a really good reason to go to war, and if it is lies and manipulation for profit, then that makes taking part in that war the opposite of heroic. You're just killing other peoples loved ones, thinking you have to protect your own, but there is no threat. Your just a coward and a murderer in that situation. Not a hero.
There is no objective way to determine what is or is not a "just" war because, "just" is a legal concept, therefore we would require all nations to be subject to international, law, international law does not exist at present and won't do until all nations buy into a world government so your point is basically bollocks.
(August 3, 2009 at 5:14 am)Pippy Wrote: There is a just war, but only one side of the conflict can claim it. Unfortunately we are not the good guys this time.
Nope ... see above!
(August 3, 2009 at 5:14 am)Pippy Wrote: I just had to point out you accusing someone of being unrealistic and ideological, right after you talked about the "ultimate sacrifice" like some kind of cheezy movie. That's an unrealistic ideology.
And you were wrong ... as usual!
Kyu
(August 3, 2009 at 8:23 am)Pippy Wrote: The wars of history are a different breed than modern war.
No they're not ... outside of our hugely magnified capability to cause destruction the only real difference now is that such conflicts are reported in near real time so we get to see the horrors of it within hours and in full colour rather than in weeks and in black and white print.
Kyu
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