RE: Do you believe in free will?
March 2, 2012 at 3:26 am
(This post was last modified: March 2, 2012 at 3:40 am by Godscreated.)
(February 29, 2012 at 9:50 am)picto90 Wrote:(February 29, 2012 at 2:13 am)Godschild Wrote: That circumstance has nothing to do with freewill, that is, as far as life changing decisions go, I think that's what this is about.
A soldier who jumps on an explosive device to save his friends would be an act of freewill, I can not imagine any circumstances that would lead one to sacrifice his life (which by the way goes against self preservation which is the strongest instinct man has) except for freewill, to choose to do what is noble and right.
That was merely an example. In my opinion, and it really is just my opinion, the same rule applies even to life changing decisions. A decision was made, but that decision was dependent on what had happened to you prior to making that decision and has nothing to do with free will.
Even from a Christian perspective free will cannot exist. In order for God to be God, he must me all knowing, if God is all knowing then he is aware of every decision you are going to make in your life time, if he knows what you are going to do, before you do it, before you were even born, then how is that free will? We are just travelling the path that God knew we were going to take all along.
God knowing what we will do has nothing to do with Him controlling what we do. A man knows that to commit murder means time in jail at the least, so he thinks about it, do I commit the crime or do I go on and live my life, either way it's his decision by his freewill.
As for the freewill God gives mankind, you have a choice to believe in Him or not, the rest of your life is in God's hands.
(February 29, 2012 at 3:34 am)apophenia Wrote:
@GC
It's what's known as a kinship selection effect. Our ancestors evolved certain self-sacrificing behaviors because the bulk of times, if you sacrificed yourself to save others, that would be the end of the propagation of your genes, but because those who are closely related to us share most of the same genetic material, we are effectively insuring the continuation of our genetic line by proxy. There is a weighting involved here of course, as J.B.S. Haldane wryly observed when he was asked if he would sacrifice himself to save a brother; he responded, "No, but I would for two brothers or eight cousins." I forget who said it, but the popular slogan is quite eminently true: "Evolution is smarter than you." There are still mysteries and vistas to be explored in the science of evolutionary biology, but it is astounding the breadth of phenomena which it can envelope.
Since I do not believe in evolution I can not agree with your statement. As far as I can see from recorded history man has remained the same, no real changes in his thought process. When a man gives his life for one or many ( and it occurs daily), example... person runs into a burning building to save another's life and dies trying, that decision has nothing to do with genes, it is a selfless act of love that many do not possess, yet it is a decision made of one's own freewill.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.