RE: Conversion
August 6, 2009 at 7:18 am
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2009 at 7:21 am by Ryft.)
(August 6, 2009 at 3:56 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: I didn't say [the TAG] dictated morality. I said it (your cartoon caricature god) is the source of morality.
What you said is that the TAG fails "because it cannot prove a consistent morality (morality can be seen to vary across time and by culture)" [source]. You could have meant one of two things, and neither one of them succeed as a rebuttal. On the one hand, you could have meant that what people consider 'moral' varies across cultures; that refers to ethics, which the TAG does not even address (q.v. it addresses the ground of moral order, not what is or isn't moral). Fallacy? "Straw Man," attacking a position different from the one actually held.
On the other hand, you could have meant that what people consider "the ground of moral order" varies across cultures (belief Y); that is a completely irrelevant when it comes to criticism of the TAG (belief X). Fallacy? "Red Herring," attempting to divert the argument (e.g., pointing to the fact that some people believe Y has absolutely no bearing on the merits of belief X).
(August 6, 2009 at 3:56 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: PLEASE stop likening me to Kirk Cameron ...
As long as you continue to do what he does, I'll compare the similarity. (And if you think the similarity was "fundamentalism" then it still went over your head.)
(August 6, 2009 at 3:56 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Is any of that in any way relevant, beyond being a highly codified insult?
Does pointing out (i) the utter irrelevance of your apathy with respect to the merits of my argument (ii) and the persistence of your fallacies have bearing on the matter at hand? Yes, certainly. Pointing out bankrupt responses is always relevant. And if having someone point out every irrelevancy you make is insulting to you, then stop making them.
(August 6, 2009 at 3:56 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: If you were being facetious then you should have made it clear.
When I am being facetious, I usually attempt to make it clear. However, in this case I was not being facetious. I was quite serious.
(August 6, 2009 at 3:56 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Come on then brainache ... which f***ing logical fallacies have I used? Be precise, link to it, explain it. And retract it if you are wrong!
I always identify them and explain them. But with you I will address them by their name rather than by their nature. (I will not link to them, however, as I have to assume you know how to look things up on the internet on your own.)
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)