(August 11, 2009 at 4:15 pm)Jon Paul Wrote: The TAG states clearly that Gods absolute nature which is uncreated and transcendent is the source of the moral and logical order of the universe.You are simply twisting words and definitions. Saying morality simply is because of God (or is part of God's nature) is the same thing as saying morality was created by God. They are both arguments which say that without God, we would have no morality, ergo for all intensive purposes God can be said to be the "creator" of morality in these arguments. The fact still remains that this is a baseless assumption on which the argument rests, and since it is an assumption it cannot possibly be said to be any kind of proof for the existence of God. Assumptions by definition can be false.
So how did you conclude that it states that the moral and logical order is created? It affirms the opposite, that it is part of Gods absolute, transcendent and uncreated nature, and as a result is imposed on his Creation.
If you argue that morality is simply part of the nature of God, you could equally argue that colour is simply part of the nature of light, given that without light there would be no colour (in the sense of colour as a perception). In this case you could make an argument that light is the creator of colour, since only with light would we be able to perceive colour. Whichever way you say it, you still need to prove the assumption before you use it in the argument, and given that your assumption is the very nature of God, all the TAG does is make everything more complex for you.
