(March 15, 2012 at 6:53 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote:
Well without knowing what definition you guys have already established I guess I could give a simple version of what I believe.
The brain is physical. The mind is mental. The agent of self is a mental attribute. Free will is also a mental attribute. I believe will is not forced or predetermined by cusal chains outside of any influence. These abstracts or insubstantials hold no material space as the brain does, therefore they're seperate from the material. Therefore I believe that there are more than determined and material things that exist in reality. I believe reality exists in in more than just material substance.
(March 15, 2012 at 8:42 am)Rhythm Wrote: I think Tack, that anytime is a good time for you to hop in, and the best place for you to begin would be by showing the other half of this duality, or the hook that allows it to interface with the demonstrated half, or both.
What do you mean show the other half? I think we've done the khook bit but I'm willing to go into more detail this time as you guys look like you've gotten pretty deep. I though we were talking about free will though, not my dualism or your materialsim? If you guys could perhaps restate what you've already defined and I'll assume that somewhere in there it's been a whole buch of materialists talking about freewill. I don't need to invoke God, woo, the supranatural, or the other half of matierlism if those are the constraints of this conversation. I can talk about freewill from a materialst standpoint if that will prevent needless hoopla. That'll at least give me time to catch up on 20 or so pages of really deep conversation this weekend.
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