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The Magic of Atheism?
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RE: The Magic of Atheism?
In terms of the philosophy behind these arguments they are basically the First Cause argument and the teleological argument or argument from design.

Simple logic disproves the first one. You state the universe must have a cause because it cannot come from nothing (which is not what modern physics neccessarily states but I'll play along) and therefore there must exist an uncaused cause which created the universe. You then call this thing that caused the universe "god". Surely God would be more complex than the universe and demands a cause himself. What caused god to come into existence? Then what caused god's cause? So on and so forth. We end up with an infinite regress.

The "laws" of physics are more just descriptions of the way that matter behaves. Quantum physics demonstrates how those once deemed immutable laws don't apply on a sub-atomic level. We simply refer to them as "laws" because it makes more sense to our human brains. The "laws" of physics most likely came into existence with the universe and there could foreseeably exist other universes in which the "laws" of physics do not behave in the way that we understand them to. None of it implies intelligence.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"All thinking men are atheists." -Ernest Hemmingway

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire
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The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Loading Please Wait - March 17, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 17, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Nine - March 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Tobie - March 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Napoléon - March 17, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Darwinian - March 17, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by reverendjeremiah - March 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 5:52 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 17, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 17, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 17, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by padraic - March 17, 2012 at 7:03 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Welsh cake - March 17, 2012 at 6:30 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 17, 2012 at 7:55 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Erinome - March 17, 2012 at 6:34 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Faith No More - March 17, 2012 at 8:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by padraic - March 17, 2012 at 8:24 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by padraic - March 17, 2012 at 8:43 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 17, 2012 at 8:37 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 8:47 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 17, 2012 at 8:51 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 17, 2012 at 9:01 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by picto90 - March 17, 2012 at 8:52 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 12:29 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 18, 2012 at 3:21 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 4:30 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 4:33 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 18, 2012 at 5:43 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 5:52 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 18, 2012 at 6:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 6:11 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by NoMoreFaith - March 18, 2012 at 5:37 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 18, 2012 at 8:36 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Tobie - March 18, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by NoMoreFaith - March 18, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 5:30 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 5:44 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 5:56 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 6:09 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 6:14 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by genkaus - March 18, 2012 at 7:49 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 7:59 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 8:01 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 8:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by LastPoet - March 18, 2012 at 8:11 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 8:17 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Norfolk And Chance - March 18, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 18, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 18, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 18, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 3:57 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 19, 2012 at 4:02 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by LastPoet - March 19, 2012 at 5:34 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by NoMoreFaith - March 19, 2012 at 5:37 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 19, 2012 at 6:23 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 8:33 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 8:43 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 7:56 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 8:49 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 8:55 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 9:02 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 9:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 10:01 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 10:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 10:09 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 10:15 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 10:17 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 9:03 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 9:04 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 8:46 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by genkaus - March 19, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 8:59 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 19, 2012 at 9:05 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 10:11 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 10:23 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 10:23 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Napoléon - March 19, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 10:25 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 19, 2012 at 2:53 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Tobie - March 19, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 19, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Doubting Thomas - March 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm

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