What is your stance on magic fellow atheists ?

[tahaadi]

Is magic real?
Have any one of you experienced something like it?
Your stance on magic and supernatural stuff ?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If people are foolish enough to consider technology they don't understand as magic, then yes, they've experience "magic", and failed at "logic".

[no one]

Hold on a second there Gawdzilla, I've seen keyboard gnomes in action. That certainly qualifies as magic, doesn't it?

[FatAndFaithless]

I have seen zero cases of 'magic', and don't believe anything that could be called magic exists. I have seen a zillion cases of things that were at one point called magic that were then figured out as a natural phenomena, technology that wasn't understood, or sleight of hand/camera tricks/con-jobs.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Is magic real?

First tell me what magic is then I can answer this.

[Reltzik]

Is magic real?
Have any one of you experienced something like it?
Your stance on magic and supernatural stuff ?

Define magic.

Yes, there's a lot of sufficiently-advanced technology out there. The internet is basically magic.

If you mean something that we can see working entirely outside of and separate from the observable, testable, and verifiable laws of the universe, then no. If we can see it working it's observable and if it DOES work it's testable and verifiable, and anyone who published would open up an entirely new field with their name on half of the new discoveries.

It's a fun concept for fantasy novels, where the challenge for the author is to either construct a setting alien from our own universe where magic can exist or invent conditions or conspiracies where magic can exist secretly in our own universe. But unlike gods, which suffer from usually not being falsifiable, the problem with thinking that magic exists in our universe is that it would be all-too-easy to demonstrate.

[tahaadi]

I had a supernatural experience in my childhood. I was sitting in room alone, and suddenly switch started to go up and down up and down, light was turning on and off.
I ran out of the room.
I still couldn’t understand this fucking experience.
It was 100% real, because my health was awesome and no hallucinations.

[robvalue]

I'd have to know what magic or supernatural means. Outside the realm of fantasy, they don’t seem to make much sense.

It sounds like you had an experience you can’t explain. I don’t see how it’s more than that?

[I_am_not_mafia]

I had a supernatural experience in my childhood. I was sitting in room alone, and suddenly switch started to go up and down up and down, light was turning on and off.
I ran out of the room.
I still couldn’t understand this fucking experience.
It was 100% real, because my health was awesome and no hallucinations.

So there was a cause for it that you are unable to explain.

Doesn't mean to say that it is unexplainable.

[robvalue]

It’s not so much that I don’t think magic is real, it’s that I think it’s meaningless. It seems to be an arbitrary line drawn under our current understanding and scientific knowledge, and anything that doesn’t fit nicely inside it is magic/supernatural.

Maybe any particular weird event will one day be explained, maybe it won’t. If we label it supernatural now (whatever that means) but we get an explanation in ten years, is it both supernatural and natural?