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The Magic of Atheism?
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RE: The Magic of Atheism?
(March 18, 2012 at 4:16 pm)Eyem4Christ Wrote: In The Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ it says this:

Irrelevant. Whether the bible or the more recent "Rewritten for TV" version of the Verdiicanism(?!). A Quote is not proof of anything.
If you have something to say, say it yourself, but your book has zero authority. Only argument.

Quote:So, what good has atheism ever brought?

Who said it has? We are talking about fundamental truth, whether its an appealing one or not is irrelevant to the question. You seem to equate atheism with science, in which case you need a dictionary.

Quote:Most if not all of the founding fathers of science were religious men.

Sign o' the Times. I bet they wouldn't be in this day and age, when in their time, their funding would get pulled, or they might even be possibly murdered if they said otherwise.
Pointless point is pointless.

Quote:Atheism is just another religious belief.

I was hoping you'd be one of the intelligent ones.

Is Afaeism a religious belief? Lack of belief in faeries? Can you explain what good Afaeism has done?
This is all strawman. Learn to make an argument or GTFO.

Quote:Because everything we see in the physical universe is contingent.

Maybe, maybe not, we see a LOT of things that don't appear to be contingent. Its been referred to several times now.

Quote:And this whole the-universe-can-be-uncaused-too BS is new to atheism.

Its called receiving new information and amending your position based upon the evidence proposed. Try it some time.

Its entirely a philosophical expression, and the scientific answer is "I Don't Know", which is an appropriate response to a lack of data. The point is, when you declare "All things are contingent" and say "except God", you breach the fundamental assumption of the argument, being, everything is contingent.
You've amended this to everything in this universe, therefore you have burden of proof to show a universe beyond this one where the rules do not apply. Otherwise, you have literally entered into the realm of "Making shit up as you go".

Asking about the first cause is like asking "Whats North of the North Pole", the question is most likely irrelevant to the reality of the situation. But like I said, the only reasonable position is "I Don't Know", not "It must have been Zeus".

Quote:I’ve only been hearing it in the last decade or so. It’s not a logical position. It’s magical thinking.

You are delusional if you think a proposition of a metaphysical universe where God lives, and is eternal, and can affect the physical universe is not magical thinking.

Your argument depends on the basis of "everything in the universe is contingent", however you use special pleading to absolve a deity of choice of this argument by positing a metaphysical universe where God resides.

However, you have a BIG problem now.

God is not allowed to touch the universe. If God affects a change in the reality of the universe through his noodley appendage (or digit of choice) it must be by your definition of first cause PLUS metaphysical to be "observably uncaused in this universe".
You have created a paradox. A universe is ALWAYS contingent, except when it isn't. In which case, your argument becomes "The Universe is almost always contingent" therefore it means your original argument for God just went tits up therefore God is unlikely to exist through Occams razor of alternative first cause (which again, is shown to POSSIBLY be a faulty assumption).

You've created a paradox and murdered God, you Bastard!

Quote:That’s the whole point of God. That God is eternal. That’s the whole argument. Something has to be eternal; it can’t be the physical universe, and that something has to have intelligence. That’s the whole argument.

But it remains an unproven assertion. That is all it is. Nothing is proved. We can assert Faeries did it, and the argument would be identical if you call Faeries eternal and living in a separate dimension.

Quote:A Veridican follows the life and teachings of Jesus Christ as recorded in The Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ.

You can't record something that is a rewrite of stuff that wasn't recorded in the first place. The correct word is "reinterprete".

I did particularly like that on their website it said "The Veridican Gospel corrects this with the inclusion of Mary as one of the twelve apostles, and she has several speaking parts"
That made me laugh out loud to be honest. It even sounds like a tv drama rewrite.
Self-authenticating private evidence is useless, because it is indistinguishable from the illusion of it. ― Kel, Kelosophy Blog

If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic.
― Tim Minchin, Storm
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The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Loading Please Wait - March 17, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 17, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Nine - March 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Tobie - March 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Napoléon - March 17, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Darwinian - March 17, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by reverendjeremiah - March 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 5:52 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 17, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 17, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 17, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by padraic - March 17, 2012 at 7:03 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Welsh cake - March 17, 2012 at 6:30 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 17, 2012 at 7:55 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Erinome - March 17, 2012 at 6:34 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 17, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Faith No More - March 17, 2012 at 8:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by padraic - March 17, 2012 at 8:24 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by padraic - March 17, 2012 at 8:43 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 17, 2012 at 8:37 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2012 at 8:47 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 17, 2012 at 8:51 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 17, 2012 at 9:01 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by picto90 - March 17, 2012 at 8:52 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 12:29 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 18, 2012 at 3:21 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 4:30 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 4:33 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 18, 2012 at 5:43 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 5:52 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 18, 2012 at 6:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 6:11 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by NoMoreFaith - March 18, 2012 at 5:37 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 18, 2012 at 8:36 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Tobie - March 18, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by NoMoreFaith - March 18, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 5:30 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 5:44 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 5:56 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 6:09 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 18, 2012 at 6:14 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by genkaus - March 18, 2012 at 7:49 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 7:59 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 18, 2012 at 8:01 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 8:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by LastPoet - March 18, 2012 at 8:11 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 18, 2012 at 8:17 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Norfolk And Chance - March 18, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 18, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Minimalist - March 18, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Whateverist - March 18, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 3:57 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Eyem4Christ - March 19, 2012 at 4:02 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by LastPoet - March 19, 2012 at 5:34 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by NoMoreFaith - March 19, 2012 at 5:37 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 19, 2012 at 6:23 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 8:33 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 8:43 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 7:56 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 8:49 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 8:55 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 9:02 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 9:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 10:01 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 10:06 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 10:09 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 10:15 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 10:17 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 9:03 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 9:04 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Phil - March 19, 2012 at 8:46 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by genkaus - March 19, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 8:59 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Zen Badger - March 19, 2012 at 9:05 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 10:11 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Creed of Heresy - March 19, 2012 at 10:23 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by mediamogul - March 19, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Ace Otana - March 19, 2012 at 10:23 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by FallentoReason - March 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Napoléon - March 19, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by KichigaiNeko - March 19, 2012 at 10:25 am
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 19, 2012 at 2:53 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Tobie - March 19, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Cyberman - March 19, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RE: The Magic of Atheism? - by Doubting Thomas - March 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm

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