And I am telling you, saying it transcends the natural world is a cop out. Try again. If God exists and he is entirely transcendent, he has no effect on this world and is not worth worshiping or believing in. Let's be honest, and stop dodging here. You want us to believe in the Christian god, and the Christian god has specific properties that have effects on the natural world. It can be tested, and until it is tested and proven, I am not believing. So bring me that evidence and stop contradicting yourself.
If you say God interacts with the natural world, then his effects can be tested. The example I already put forth back in earlier posts was intercessory prayer, which has been tested and shown to have a null effect. You are a Christian, therefore I can make the assumption you believe in a God that answers prayer. By believing in a god that answers prayer, have just described a God that has an effect on the natural world and therefore you can test it. And guess what, the tests that have been done produce a negative result, showing that if there is a god, he ain't answering your prayers.
If you are going to sit here and argue that your god is transcendent and cannot be tested, that's fine, but it's ludicrous to expect anyone else to believe, because you can essentially claim whatever you want about something that is transcendent, which is what Adrian has been trying to tell you. If your god is a transcendent god, it cannot be proven to be the Christian god if there is NOTHING you can test about god. You can make the SAME EXACT CLAIMS about the FSM or Allah or Thor.
An untestable transcendent god is the SAME thing as a nonexistent god. If I had three jars and had one full of dice, you can make value judgments about that dice, like what they look like, how many there are, etc... If I have two other jars one with transcendent dice and one with no dice, you can't make a value judgment about the transcendent dice because they inhabit the same quality as NO DICE. They're not worth talking about, so move on.
If you say God interacts with the natural world, then his effects can be tested. The example I already put forth back in earlier posts was intercessory prayer, which has been tested and shown to have a null effect. You are a Christian, therefore I can make the assumption you believe in a God that answers prayer. By believing in a god that answers prayer, have just described a God that has an effect on the natural world and therefore you can test it. And guess what, the tests that have been done produce a negative result, showing that if there is a god, he ain't answering your prayers.
If you are going to sit here and argue that your god is transcendent and cannot be tested, that's fine, but it's ludicrous to expect anyone else to believe, because you can essentially claim whatever you want about something that is transcendent, which is what Adrian has been trying to tell you. If your god is a transcendent god, it cannot be proven to be the Christian god if there is NOTHING you can test about god. You can make the SAME EXACT CLAIMS about the FSM or Allah or Thor.
An untestable transcendent god is the SAME thing as a nonexistent god. If I had three jars and had one full of dice, you can make value judgments about that dice, like what they look like, how many there are, etc... If I have two other jars one with transcendent dice and one with no dice, you can't make a value judgment about the transcendent dice because they inhabit the same quality as NO DICE. They're not worth talking about, so move on.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin
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