(August 12, 2009 at 8:26 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: If God exists and he is entirely transcendent, he has no effect on this worldClearly errorneous. If God exists, then the natural world is an effect of his existence.
(August 12, 2009 at 8:26 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: the Christian god has specific properties that have effects on the natural world.Exactly. The arguments in my thread deals with those effects; let's take it to my thread instead of filling this one.
(August 12, 2009 at 8:26 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: You are a Christian, therefore I can make the assumption you believe in a God that answers prayer.If a prayer gets answered or not is wholly irrelevant if you aren't a Christian, because the purpose of prayer is the salvation of your soul, something an atheist doesn't believe exist.
(August 12, 2009 at 8:26 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: If you are going to sit here and argue that your god is transcendent and cannot be tested, that's fine, but it's ludicrous to expect anyone else to believe, because you can essentially claim whatever you want about something that is transcendent, which is what Adrian has been trying to tell you. If your god is a transcendent god, it cannot be proven to be the Christian god if there is NOTHING you can test about god. You can make the SAME EXACT CLAIMS about the FSM or Allah or Thor.Thor and FSM are not transcendental Gods, but to the contrary, spatiotemporal and material (ontologically immanental) beings, and none of my arguments arrive at their existence. As for Allah, that is a word for God used by Arab Christians for God. As for the Islamic doctrine of God, it is completely based on the biblical doctrine of God with the exception of some perversions, so with those exceptions, it is simply a reaffirmation of biblical doctrine.
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