(August 12, 2009 at 6:01 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 12, 2009 at 5:37 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: it means the same thing in this context.That is your equivocation, but it is not consistent with the orthodox Christian definition of creation. God is not created; and the TAG exactly states that the moral and logical order in the universe transcends the universe, and is uncreated, a part of Gods uncreated being wholly apart from the universe.
English is English and you are a liar when you claim that you and Arcanus said the same thing WRT morality and the TAG argument.
(August 12, 2009 at 6:01 pm)Jon Paul Wrote: The sense in which God is the source of the logical order of the universe is the ontological sense (that he imposes the order of His being on his Creation, the universe), not in the sense that he creates it ex nihilo (since it already exists in his divine nature), which is the Christian definition of creation.
Yeah right ... and you're a disingenuous creep!
Kyu
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