Quote:1- So you asked the question, do we consider the illusion of free will, as being equivalent to being real. If you define real as having an objective existence than no. However, how do you know what is objectively real? I don’t want to rehash things that I’m sure have been said as I’m not caught up on the thread. If you see these letters as black and I see them as black is that enough to make them really black? You fully admitted that none of us feel constrained to act. That’s as much an axiom as can be reasonably achieved, IMO, much like we agree on what a rock is or the color blue.
The nature of reality, that could do with its own thread. Blimey.
Hmm, I think you can put a objective standard for reality as something which can be objectively measured, and to clear up any potential confusion on my interpretation of that, I mean things that have the potential to be measured, even if we lack the technology to do so.
So in many respects, there are things we are aware of, such as decision making processes in the brain, that we haven't got a solid grasp on measuring.
The studies I've mentioned in this thread rely on technology which will no doubt improve as time goes on, and my opinions on determinism are not set in stone, but simply a reaction to what we know at this point in time.
Quote:2- Can you condition yourself to think a certain way or think differently? Manipulating the subconscious has been practically a profession for some. Are they actually changing the way we think? Yes, I believe they are. Secondly I believe you can change how your brain reacts. The choice isn’t always A or B. When you factor in a strict timeline you can suspend deciding which changes causality. It’s never the left or right door that matters, it’s which and when that makes a cause and effect chain continue. Are you implying we can only react based on our nature or that we are forced to act on our nature?
Depends on what you mean your nature, the psychological nature, or physiological nature. Either way, psychological nature is based on the physiological in my estimation.
I imply, I think(!), this is a new area of discussion still for me, that we are forced to act in purely line with our physiological nature. We are no different to the movement of planetary bodies, and the weather system. Vast, almost unknowable in complexity but ultimately driven by fundamental laws that we can no more change, than if we try to pretend gravity doesn't coerce us to stay on the ground.
Self-authenticating private evidence is useless, because it is indistinguishable from the illusion of it. ― Kel, Kelosophy Blog
If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic. ― Tim Minchin, Storm
If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic. ― Tim Minchin, Storm
