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Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
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RE: Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil
(April 1, 2012 at 11:09 am)C Rod Wrote:
(March 29, 2012 at 11:34 pm)mediamogul Wrote: This doesn't really answer the essence of the "why did god allow heaven to be corrupted" argumet and raises another question for me. If people are not bound by their nature, biology, and upbringing then why do some choose good and some choose "evil"? It seems to me as though free will doesn't explain much in the way of why people choose the way that they do. It seems to me that people exist with certain things that effect their supposed free will and cause them to act in a certain way. On another note we are back to saying god couldn't do something, create a situation in which free will exists and where people on choose good. Why even set up the choice in the first place? Why create the rules so that choice is important? Also, to play devil's advocate (sorry, corny I know), Lucifer chose out of independence, a desire for self-determination, courage, and intelligence. Well it's all mythology so I guess I can interpret it any way I choose.

You can be influenced just like you can also not be influenced. If you could only chose good, would that be free will? And he had that situation in the garden and Lucifer carried out the other option, brought about the other choice. Do you like your conscious, you can choose anything and reap its imminent consequence, conjure any thought good or bad, and do anything for whatever purpose?
Lucifer choose to be more than God, wanted to be more than what his creator gave him and he was given everything, except the one thing he didn't have(God's position), do you think he needed that or deserved it?

So god was unable to create a situation in which the garden of eden would not be corrupted? If he could foresee that Lucifer would rebel and corrupt his creation why create him? God was unable to create the laws that govern existence in such a way that "freewill" can exist and that people would only choose good? It still seems the claim is that god was incapable of doing something. Also, if god is bound by rules himself then he is not really free either. If god does not choose evil but is free then it is a demonstration that a free thing can exist that always chooses good. Seems like special pleading to say god can be free and all good but that humans cannot.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"All thinking men are atheists." -Ernest Hemmingway

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire
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RE: Free Will vs Divine Won't - How God Favours Evil - by mediamogul - April 1, 2012 at 11:20 am

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