RE: Do you believe in free will?
April 3, 2012 at 7:16 am
(This post was last modified: April 3, 2012 at 7:16 am by tackattack.)
(April 2, 2012 at 9:23 am)genkaus Wrote:
1a- It is the latter, but not because of the passage of time, but the receipt of input. As long as the consciousness receives inputs it changes and thus changes identity. I define irreducible as unable to be lessened. Secondly can you prove that a person has no consciousness in a coma? I believe that, while they can't express, if they can receive input they would still have a consciousness. For instance, after Joe is in a coma for 20 years for brain damage, he wakes up. He's still Joe, He didn't experience the passage of those 20 years and may act differently, but he still perceives himself as Joe.
1b- I would say the self is the sum of a lot of things. It's in part who we perceive ourselves consciously to be, out nature, what we know, memories, Time that we've experienced, etc. Take all those away and I still feel there is a sense of agent that is irreducible. That is typically what I'm trying to identify and talk about when discussing self and duality vs. monism. If you would be so kind as to point out exactly how that is inconsistant with my 1a, I will reassess it. AAlso I'm fairly new to emergent properties and such, please explain it in more detail so I could evaluate it.
2a- I think I see where we're having a divergence. You define nature to include both your id and conscious will. I should be perhaps more specific and refer to it as our naturalistic instinctual nature. Hopefully that helps clear that up. I agree with your point about axioms and subjectivity.
2b- If all brain activity were to cease how would there exist any aspect of consciousness. How would you explain consciousness' dependance on the brain? Is it the electrical activity, the configuration of the synapses? I can fully admit I don't know where the mind would reside, if not in the brain, but I'm working on it.
3a- OK
3b- OK on the grounds that, due to how it functions, it is unobservable to self. I, for instance, know that part of who I am comes from who I am genetically built to be. Part of who I am is who I learned to be. Part of me is what I've experienced, remembereed and not. Part of who I am though, is also who I consciously choose to be. Colloquially when I refer to who I am, it's only the part of me I can perceive, which would not include the parts of my sub-conscious I can not see because I'm consciously expressing it. Objectively all parts of the whole would make the sum of the formal "who am I" agent definition.
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