(April 6, 2012 at 7:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The world is rife with "necessary" suffering then, I suppose?Necessary in so much as God didn't choose to make it not so, yes.
Quote:Trouble is , this calls the omnipotence bit into question again. Nothing is "necessary" or "unecessary" for an omnipotent being.That's correct.
Quote:No conditions need be met, case in point, there is no "need" of anything at all. Omnipotence has a very specific meaning. Remove anything and you are left with "extremely powerful, but not omnipotent" (also addressed by the argument).Mhm
Quote:Able and willing, but still nothing (as you seem to be arguing for) does not criticize or invalidate any part of the argument, in fact, it repeats a conclusion from that very argument....Being able and willing, but still nothing does not make the subject malevolent, as it seems to be what you are leading into.
Quote:There's a reason that all attempts at apologetics with regards to this argument (an argument that is as old as the hills) rely on a complete redefinition of terms. We fucked up when we formulated our idea of a triune god, we fucked up hard. Understandable, since no one has ever had any idea what a god actually is/was in the first place.I agree.
Brevity is the soul of wit.