RE: Epicurean Paradox
April 10, 2012 at 2:56 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2012 at 3:11 pm by Drich.)
(April 10, 2012 at 11:25 am)FallentoReason Wrote:Drich Wrote:So.. in turn with your line of logic here; if you stop believing in the laws of gravity you will no longer be bound by them? Is that how you and superman do it? You just stop believing and then you can fly?A 'law' is something man-made. Gravity would exist whether we aknowledged it as a 'law' or not. The difference between gravity and god is that gravity has a direct consequence. God on the other hand seems to be absent. I don't feel any more or less blessed now than when I used to follow God's 'laws'. It's not something that interacts with us like gravity.
So if you do not commit adultery you do not feel that it blesses your marriage? Or if you do not steal it does not count towards you standing and integrity in your own community? Or by not murdering people you do not see it as a way of staying out of Jail?
I would say the consequences of your action are present you just have to acknowledge them.
(April 10, 2012 at 11:32 am)Ace Otana Wrote: If to be evil and sinful means to intentionality (maliciously or not) disobey god / be outside of god's will then atheists are exempt from sin and evil. How can we intentionally be outside/disobey god if we don't believe god and sin even exist?
you see what you had to do in order to make your arguement work here? you had to change the scriptural definition to accommodate your personal philosophy. The problem is, God is not a respecter of personal philosophies. We in the bible have been given a set of parameters in which to understand and expect God's judgment. Burying you head in the sand by changing what you can not or do not want to acknowledge does not change the standard in which we have been given, and will be judged.
Just so we are clear I am giving you the definition for malicious, because your understanding of the words seems to be more of an emotional state.
ma·li·cious /məˈlɪʃəs/ Show Spelled[muh-lish-uhs] Show IPA
adjective
1. full of, characterized by, or showing malice; malevolent; spiteful: malicious gossip.
2. Law . vicious, wanton, or mischievous in motivation or purpose.
In this way Evil is a vicious, wanton, or mischievous in motivation or purposed state outside of God's expressed Standard, law, or will. Again your personal acknowledgment of your placement outside of God's Expressed Will is not necessary. You will be judged as such independently from your acknowledgment of God, the standard He has given, or your proximity to it.