Epicurean Paradox

[Drich]

Surely you can do better than that as a refutation.

If something seems too simply then perhaps it warrants a deeper look.

Stop believing in an empirically proven and testable theory as opposed to the mythological supreme being posited among thousands.
That is a poor comparison and you know it. The point is very clear. If Evil is MALICIOUS, which spiteful and deliberate,

This seems to be the problem. You do not seem to understand the meaning of the word in it's current context.

ma·li·cious   /məˈlɪʃəs/ Show Spelled[muh-lish-uhs] Show IPA
adjective
1. full of, characterized by, or showing malice; malevolent; spiteful: malicious gossip.
2. Law . vicious, wanton, or mischievous in motivation or purpose.

it requires the presupposition of a God in which to deliberately spite.

Actually no it doesn't. It can mean vicious or mischievous motivation, which can be considered spiteful but it can also mean a wanton motivation. What is wanton?

wan·ton   /ˈwɒntn/ Show Spelled[won-tn] Show IPA
adjective
1. done, shown, used, etc., maliciously or unjustifiably: a wanton attack; wanton cruelty.
2. deliberate and without motive or provocation; uncalled-for; headstrong; willful: Why jeopardize your career in such a wanton way?
3. without regard for what is right, just, humane, etc.; careless; reckless: a wanton attacker of religious convictions.
4. sexually lawless or unrestrained; loose; lascivious; lewd: wanton behavior.
5. extravagantly or excessively luxurious, as a person, manner of living, or style.
Did you see it? Deliberate and without motivation or provication. Which make your argument meaningless. Because again as I said from the beginning you do not have to even acknowledge God or His expressed will to be found maliciously outside of it.

The same goes for Intent, without belief in God, it is impossible to intentionally go against his will any more than you can intentionally go against the will of the faerie queen.

but you can intently stay with in your own expressed morality can you not? If yes, and this morality is found to be outside of God's expressed will then where does that leave you?
Wan-ton more?

You misunderstand the concept because your mind is too deeply ingrained with the presupposition of a 'God'.

Don't forget the dictionary too. I have a tendency to use words by their given definitions rather than slang interpretation of them.

God has not made himself evident, nor has he provided anything to suggest his existence is likely.

..To those who do not ask seek or knock for said evidence.

All arguments about creation are meaningless if there lots of equiprobable explanations for the same effect. I'm being kind when I say equiprobable to avoid accusation of bias.
The same goes for the bible, but without using personal bias, you are unable to conceive of the idea that the Bible being an account of the means to know this being is not the most probable explanation for its existence.

By design, foreknowledge of God is a gift and not the result of an intellectual exercise (as if we can earn the knowledge of God)
If you want to know God you have to ask seek and knock like He has commanded everyone else.
You nor anyone else will be able to deduce or reason God into existence with what you currently have been given.

The same does not go for gravity, there are not equiprobable explanations of it. We see its effects everyday, and they are measurable, we can even conceive of a gravitational constant.
You can do no such thing for a supreme being.

I see the results of God everyday, and see the effects of God on the lives of the people I interact with daily. Just because you do not know what to look or even what you are looking at, does not mean God is not to be seen.
You nor those you hold in high esteem are the pillars of the universe you understand them to be.

In doing so, you dismiss all other explanations for both the universe, the bible, and every tenet of your own personal believes, based on the private assertion of its fact.

The Same Exact thing can be said about you and what you believe.

When you throw a ball, you trust it will come down again, because you have observed it as such.
When you pray to God, you trust he answers, because you privately believe that he does, and if he doesn't you must have done something wrong, or had a false motive.

You assume too much. For prayer is not the formal wishing ceremony you have made it out to be here. If one prays according to the prayer modeled in scripture then you will indeed have it answered.

If you can't tell the difference between Gravity and God, you have a serious problem in your life, that you cannot discern, or filter the fictitious from the evident.
All you can do, is assert the fictitious and fervently hope you aren't suffering from delusion.

Or you simply need this to be true in order that you may in good conscience dismiss what you do not want or are afraid to explore on your own.

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I can't help but notice that people who choose to hand the reigns over to God don't seem to enjoy any special immunity to natural evil.

You misunderstand. God has handed the reigns over to us. If we have been subjected to evil it is because of the nature of the world we have created for ourselves.

Sure can't. You're the humble one who accepts that you're not God, (just one of his representatives on Earth) maybe he'll stop earthquakes and storms for you since you know your place.

I have a feeling the rest of your post will now be out of context simply because you did not take the time to read/understand what I originally wrote.

Perhaps my writing was not as clear as I thought. I only listed natural evil.

As I pointed out "Evil" is not a thing. therefore your assessment of it was dismissed.

The whole point of the post, from start to finish, was about natural evil.

Evil can only exist in the hearts sentient beings like man. That means even though you personally proclaim something naturally evil does not mean it qualifies as evil according to the bible.

Y'know, another explanation is that there's no perfect craftsman so nothing is perfect. Our planet was formed by natural processes and is impersonally dangerous and there's no supernatural power watching out for us or out to get us. We're tribal and prone to combativeness, and are our own worst enemy because there's nothing higher on the food chain anymore.

Why would the God of the universe.. Meaning the God who put in, and maintains all of the natural processes we know of and a universe more that we do not, have to resort to using supernatural means to create?

Believing in a supernatural God is a personal misunderstanding not a scriptural one.

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[quote='Drich']
So we can decide where we want to spend eternity. Do we want to live with out sin for an eternity with God? or do we want to be eternally seperated from God?

So, let's sum up. God will not impede on the free will of a child raping murderer, because he wants you(and others) to make the decision to be with or without him.

Sorry but you have not refuted the Epicurean quote. In fact, you have explained his malevolence in detail.

wow it took you a lot longer than some of the others to come up with this conclusion, but you finally got here on your own! Know that this challenge has been presented 3 seperate times and has been answered everytime with the same observation. If you want an answer then go back and re read some of the prior post. I think 2 or 3 pages back was the last one.