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Evidence Against God
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RE: Evidence Against God
Abishalom Wrote:That's false. To prove definitively nonexistence of God you have to evaluate all evidence and it must be unanimous. Why? Because to prove a negative conjecture (nonexistence) you must exhaust through all possible evidence. Even if that were the case. Can you prove that any evidence proves that that the universe and all matter in it was not created (without rationalization)?

What you fail to grasp is that it is not up to anyone to prove god doesn't exist. It is up to the believers to prove he does with the evidence, and when they can't, the default postion should be to not believe in it. You seem to be conflating not believing in god with believing god does not exist, which would require proof. I am not saying the evidence does prove that he does not exist. I am saying the evidence fails to prove he does, which then requires us to take the position of lack of belief.

Abishalom Wrote:You're right in that it was written thousands of years ago. But you did not honestly contemplate my question. I did not ask for your rationalization of it. I asked for a logical reason for why modern science theories on origins are diametrically opposed (exactly opposite) to the biblical account.

Do not tell me what I did or did not contemplate. You are under the impression that I had never thought of this question until you posed it. Assumptions do not further this discussion.

That being said, the reason they are so opposed is the method with which the conclusions they were formed. The authors of the bible simply looked at the world and pondered what its origins were to the best of their imagination. The scientific theories are based on evaluations of the evidence, not simply what the imagination can create after taking a mere glance at the world.
Abishalom Wrote:Exactly. What is supernatural evidence? The proof for God is in nature. God is not in nature, but the proof of His existence is in His creation. Think of it like a signature. The burden of proof is on the prosecutor. I am making no claims. I believe that God exists, and that He created everything. I gave my reason (or proof) for this belief. The only claims being made is by the prosecutors(God does not exist or the evidence concludes nonexistence).

We are claiming we do not believe in god due to lack of evidence. You are claiming god does exist, because of the evidece. Therefore, the burden of proof falls on you. This conversation will go nowhere until you understand that.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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Evidence Against God - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 11:24 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by NoMoreFaith - April 13, 2012 at 11:28 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Pearls a stinger - April 13, 2012 at 11:45 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Ace Otana - April 13, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Adjusted Sanity - April 13, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Norfolk And Chance - April 13, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Adjusted Sanity - April 13, 2012 at 1:13 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Norfolk And Chance - April 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Phil - April 13, 2012 at 2:26 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Norfolk And Chance - April 13, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Phil - April 13, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by jackman - April 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Phil - April 13, 2012 at 9:58 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by SophiaGrace - April 13, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Norfolk And Chance - April 13, 2012 at 12:11 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 12:12 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by downbeatplumb - April 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 1:55 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Ace Otana - April 13, 2012 at 12:13 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Welsh cake - April 13, 2012 at 1:59 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Norfolk And Chance - April 13, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Welsh cake - April 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by The Grand Nudger - April 13, 2012 at 2:41 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by The Grand Nudger - April 13, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by SophiaGrace - April 13, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by genkaus - April 13, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by genkaus - April 14, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Minimalist - April 16, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Norfolk And Chance - April 13, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Minimalist - April 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by padraic - April 13, 2012 at 8:19 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 16, 2012 at 11:04 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 16, 2012 at 11:25 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 3:45 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2012 at 5:13 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Ace Otana - April 17, 2012 at 5:24 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Phil - April 17, 2012 at 12:23 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 12:30 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Phil - April 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Jaysyn - April 17, 2012 at 12:38 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Phil - April 17, 2012 at 12:44 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Jaysyn - April 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Phil - April 17, 2012 at 12:58 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Ace Otana - April 17, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 12:49 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Jaysyn - April 17, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Jaysyn - April 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Paul the Human - April 17, 2012 at 1:22 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Ace Otana - April 17, 2012 at 1:00 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 1:14 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Ace Otana - April 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 4:18 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 17, 2012 at 4:34 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 5:15 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 17, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 5:38 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 17, 2012 at 6:02 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 17, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 7:41 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 17, 2012 at 7:51 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 4:36 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Ace Otana - April 17, 2012 at 4:46 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Cyberman - April 20, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 20, 2012 at 11:54 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 17, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 17, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 17, 2012 at 4:12 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by genkaus - April 17, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by mediamogul - April 16, 2012 at 11:26 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Adjusted Sanity - April 16, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by mediamogul - April 16, 2012 at 11:37 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Adjusted Sanity - April 16, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by padraic - April 17, 2012 at 12:16 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Adjusted Sanity - April 17, 2012 at 12:34 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Paul the Human - April 17, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 1:33 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Paul the Human - April 17, 2012 at 1:39 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Jaysyn - April 17, 2012 at 3:33 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Ace Otana - April 17, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 1:37 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Ace Otana - April 17, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 1:54 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Ace Otana - April 17, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by mediamogul - April 17, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Faith No More - April 17, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 3:26 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by downbeatplumb - April 17, 2012 at 2:43 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Faith No More - April 17, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 17, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by mediamogul - April 17, 2012 at 4:27 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by mediamogul - April 17, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 19, 2012 at 12:25 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Faith No More - April 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 4:27 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 5:18 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 7:11 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 17, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Paul the Human - April 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 9:21 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Garpike34 - April 19, 2012 at 5:20 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by FallentoReason - April 19, 2012 at 5:31 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 19, 2012 at 5:51 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by FallentoReason - April 19, 2012 at 6:27 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Reforged - April 19, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2012 at 3:19 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Minimalist - April 19, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Welsh cake - April 19, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 20, 2012 at 10:28 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by frankiej - April 20, 2012 at 10:39 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Welsh cake - April 20, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 20, 2012 at 11:19 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Welsh cake - April 20, 2012 at 11:37 pm
RE: Evidence Against God - by Cyberman - April 21, 2012 at 12:01 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Abishalom - April 21, 2012 at 12:19 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Phil - April 21, 2012 at 12:25 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Ace Otana - April 21, 2012 at 8:02 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by Cyberman - April 21, 2012 at 12:34 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by padraic - April 21, 2012 at 1:09 am
RE: Evidence Against God - by simplexity - April 21, 2012 at 1:19 am

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